<p>munchkin: Just because a super endorses Obama in May, it doesn’t guarantee that the super will vote for him in August at the convention. She can always say that the supers might change their minds.</p>
<p>Re-read post # 9</p>
<p>Her thoughtless words today were beyond the pale. I sincerely hope they were thoughtless and not thought out because that would be scary.</p>
<p>She claimed she said it because the Kennedy’s were on her mind. Lame excuse IMO. She’s brought this subject up quite a few times and it is not seemly.</p>
<p>People are responding, generally, in the way they always do to whatever Hillary does. If you read her comments in context with what she was discussing, they were neither low, evil, beyond the pale, stupid, or inexcusable. It was pretty clear to anyone without an agenda that she was speaking simply of the timeline of the primaries not being decided, for whatever reason, historically until the month of June.</p>
<p>She said something that was true. Time to crucify her.</p>
<p>I guess people haven’t realized that what she said wasn’t even true. The only truth in her statement was that RFK got shot. The reason he and his opponent were still campaigning was because the race was close and there were still hundreds of delegates to be had. Her statement was thus essentially irrelevant.</p>
<p>IMHO, the race is close, else Obama would have shut her down - with PA, KY, WV and others. </p>
<p>As long as Hillary does not criticize Obama personally I think her staying is not detrimental to the party.</p>
<p>Ted Kennedy went all the way to the convention against a stitting President in 1980.</p>
<p>Jesse Jackson went all the way to the convention in 1988 despite being 700 delegates behind.</p>
<p>This clamor for Clinton to get out is solely because she’s a woman and “should know her place”.</p>
<p>“This clamor for Clinton to get out is solely because she’s a woman and “should know her place”.”</p>
<p>Nah. It’s because so many people dislike her.</p>
<p>The race was close. No doubt about it. But she has already lost. She knows it too. She is staying in the race so she can look like a ‘tough fighter who never quits’.</p>
<p>^^^
You seem to be forgetting that in 1980 and 1988 the Democrats lost. </p>
<p>Also, the circumstances in both of the cases are not comparable to the current situation. In 1980 Jimmy Carter was an extremely unpopular president and was destined to lose in the general election, and in 1988 no one took Jesse Jackson seriously…</p>
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True.</p>
<p>To say that the reason you should stay in the race is to wait for the other candidate, who is black on top of that, to be assassinated is VERY low. </p>
<p>Its not an Obama vs Hillary thing, its a principles thing. If she hadn’t meant to reference assassination she would have said he was campaigning in June. It requires forethought to decide to reference an assassination as the reason you are in the race.</p>
<p>Like her or not, Hillary’s campaign will no doubt go down in history as one of the more spectacular - and surprising - political failures in recent times. But when you consider this RFK comment, as well as her claim that she had the support of “hard-working Americans, white Americans,” as well her claim of being shot at when she landed in Bosnia, as well as [etc., etc., etc.], should it really be such a surprise?</p>
<p>The bizarre thing is that it doesn’t even make any sense. Hillary could simply suspend her campaign instead of withdrawing. That would preserve her ability to resurrect it at a later date should the need arise.</p>
<p>I watch Obama carefully choose every word he says. He truly seems to condider how his words will be received by others. He understands the subtle nuances of language.</p>
<p>I watch Hillary put her foot in her mouth again and again. Today’s comment was, at the very least, in very poor taste. At the most, it was truly frightening. </p>
<p>Which person do we want negotiating with foreign heads of state? </p>
<p>Read the description of Abigail in “The Crucible.” Reminds me of HRC.</p>
<p>I don’t like Hillary, but I think this is being blown out of proportion. I did not understand the term blowhard until I listened to Olbermann (I don’t watch TV, but this was linked). It is, as an Obama spokesman said, “unfortunate.” And that’s it. But then, people went overboard criticizing Michelle Obama and making a mountain out of a molehill, too. Not the same people, though, including on CC.</p>
<p>I’m dense. I don’t get the outrage. </p>
<p>Hillary stated a fact…and a relevant one at that. </p>
<p>One of the most famous races the Democrats have had in my lifetime involved a fight to the finish that ended with the death of RFK. This one, between Barack and Hillary, will probably be remembered as another historic race between two powerful Democrats…to the finish.</p>
<p>It does Barack no favors to appear to be being “mothered” by his enthusiastic supporters.</p>
<p>Worse, it is as if some supporters view his candidacy as destiny or myth. He is a candidate, a very good one, for president; not a mythical hero or tragedy. Those who see him as such naturally need villains and foes bearing slings and arrows --they are, as someone said above, monsters. In the myth, Hillary gets that part…even though she is just another candidate for president. Neither of them --no matter how much their supporters wish it-- are symbols; they are candidates for president. </p>
<p>It is not a romance: it is a job.</p>
<p>The fact is the time. The reference to RFK was added and not relevant to the timeline. She only needed to mention June.</p>
<p>That said, others have pointed out that in earlier electoral campaigns, the primary started later. So this year’s equivalent of June would actually be August.</p>
<p>I still think, however, that too much is being made of an unfortunate reference.</p>
<p>She knew what she was doing. This makes it impossible for any chance of a dream ticket! The powers that be can’t persuade B.O. to take her as V.P. now. She can offer very little support w/o criticism by the party because of this gaffe! Pretty diabolical if you ask me! She’s plotting for 2012 now.</p>
<p>Was RFK the front runner or the underdog at the time of his assassination?</p>