another example of when science meets false beliefs

When reading information, it’s good to consider the source, and their motive. Zobroward’s yahoo article about food myths is from a magazine, called ‘Eat This, Not That!’ The article states, “And some of the easy changes you can make have dramatic results. To wit, test panelists lost up to 10 pounds in just 7 days—drinking delicious teas—with our best-selling The 7-Day Flat-Belly Tea Diet and Cleanse—click to sip your way thinner!”

They are trying to get you to read with their attention grabbing highlight, and then sell you their special tea diet.

busdriver, you are correct that sadly they have a link to a yuppie snake oil scam…but the rest of the info is not nonsensical.

I start reading these health stories all the time, about how one thing is better than the other. Or what you expected was good is really not, but so many of them have a selling point. Buy this book, magazine, purchase my diet plan. That’s when I stop reading.

busdriver11, I stopped worrying about fat , salt and cholesterol a while ago. people have a fear of these things that is so ingrained in their minds they will not listen to reason on the subject! my own mother had a Cardiac catheterization because of a Congenital heart condition related to a valve. and the doctor told her that she has no build up of plaque in her veins. it was not the reason for the procedure but he told her on a side note you have no build up. he literally was looking inside her circulatory system. I told her stop taking the statins drug, she said she had thought about it after he said that to her but, “I am afraid to stop”…because what if stopping is the wrong thing. I was like what if taking them is the wrong thing. they have terrible side effects.

They used to prescribe statins pretty regularly, and have certainly started to change their tune on that. However, I think it is always best to try to fix the underlying problem in lieu of taking serious medications, if you can.

Most of their myths are self-contradictory. And yes, yahoo health has a pretty bad reputation.

Along with the idea that we “need” a certain number of glasses of water per day, what also makes me nuts is the belief that bottled water is better than tap. Aside from being an environmental nightmare, it is usually worse, not better.

For the folks who mentioned taking vitamin D, do a little reading on taking vitamin K2 in tandem. I wasn’t aware of the relationship/requirement until recently, but taking D without K might actually be detrimental. I’m no expert so I don’t want to inject my own opinion, but it’s worthwhile reading.

I have low D and was prescribed D by my doctor, but I’ve decided to add K2 as well. I think some studies have also called the value of additional D into question, so it might all turn out to be snake oil a few years down the road.

H found an article this morning saying eating bacon “can make you live longer”. It’s all that yummy niacin apparently.

garland
“bottled water is better than tap”…agreed bottled water is the biggest scam …in canada , united states and western europe I would not think twice about drinking the water.

“I have low D and was prescribed D by my doctor, but I’ve decided to add K2 as well”

If you eat a normal diet that includes leafy greens and don’t have a health condition that leads to K deficiency, more likely than not you are getting enough of it from the diet alone. Don’t waste your money on supplements just because you read something on the web.

It’s annoying when people assume “science” is an absolute good.

There are many things that were backed up by science, even peer-reviewed work, which were later proven to be detrimental.

rhandico
“science” is an absolute good…science is not about good or bad it is about the truth which is measurable. flawed studies, fraudulent studies, or agenda driven science is horrible. but pure science leads to the truth,it is our ability as humans to advance our understanding of things and create is held back by our flaws,integrity and lack of knowledge…which tends to advance from generation to generation.

I never understood the people who spend so much on bottle water. If your water taste that bad, get an under the sink water filtration system.

I’ll chime in with a related link. It’s to an article arguing that the cause of most cancer is random chance. The rest is due to genetic inheritance or a very small number of high dose exposures (like cigarette smoking). This is from a well-regarded cancer biologist.

Money quote: “The majority is due to “bad luck,” that is, random mutations arising during DNA replication in normal, noncancerous stem cells.”

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6217/78.abstract

Here’s another interesting article; this time on BPA. http://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorbutterworth/2014/04/09/bpa-the-scientists-the-scare-the-100-million-dollar-surge/1/

@dadof1, I’ve read that there is also a strong suspicion that exposure to certain viruses can lead to cancer down the line. That has certainly been shown to be the case with HPV and Hepatitis.

Also, too frequent exposures to radiation via diagnostic tests at too high of a concentration is being looked at.

Nrdsb is correct. Bacteria also has been linked to increased risk of certain cancers.

http://m.cancer.org/acs/groups/cid/documents/webcontent/002782-pdf.pdf

@greenwitch:
I am sure it depends on the kind of bacon, if you are talking naturally smoked bacon, like my wife grew up with in Eastern Europe, it probably is. If it is the crap that Oscar Mayer puts out, loaded with nitrates and nitrites and other garbage, probably not so much.

Science is a self correcting mechanism if done right, it is self checking and it is supposed to maintain the position that you never know everything, that there is always a question. Science is supposed to work on the basis that even things presumed to be true are not sacrosanct, and when science finally proved out plate tectonics (interestingly, this only happened in the late 60’s), it became settled theory but it is still being investigated and refined.

The problem with science is like anything else in humanity, it is human and can be corrupted, can be about power and maintaining the status quo. In physics in the late 19th century, there was a large body of physicists who decided Newton and Maxwell had done it all, and those who created the revolution did so outside the mainstream, they had to. Wiggener, the man who came up with plate tectonics, was considered a kook by the mainstream geo science community. Fred Hoyle held onto continuous creation for years, and the battles over that versus the big bang were often less than collegial. Ego and money can corrupt things, and often you get a block of ‘power brokers’ in science, who at one time made some great discoveries, who blocked real change. Then, too, politics plays a role, a lot of what you see with supposed diet science is often based in the political and economic side of things, like the government dietary standards, or the medical community now that genetics has been found to be the big issue with heart disease pushing statin drugs (that gee, just happen to be incredibly lucrative). The only good thing is that for example as with the myth that dietary cholesterol had anything to do with heart disease, people kept refining studies and finally put the final nail in the coffin of that myth.

And I will add that in many things, despite the claims of the luddite and the bible thumpers, science more and more is an evolutionary process, you just don’t see that many things get set on their ears, the way the big bang did continuous creation in cosmology. Even Einstein and the work of quantum physics did not throw away Newton and Maxwell, it simply explained things they couldn’t and for example, despite the claim of ‘creationists’, evolution has continued to solve the gaps in knowledge and refined understanding. That understanding has changed, like for example realizing human evolution and immigration happened in many waves, but the fundamental concepts continue to improve, not be thrown out. In physics and chemistry, things once mysteries have been unlocked, and more understanding comes with that. When critics point to ‘new ice age’ theory in the 70’s, as proof that science ‘makes mistakes’, what that leaves out is few accepted that idea, and within a couple of years of that idea hitting Time Magazine, it was dead. As opposed to that, the idea of global climate change over time has gotten more and more people on board, and even some hardened skeptics have come around and accepted the premise, without necessarily agreeing with rates of change or what can be done, and very, very few scientists, and certainly not the ‘thousands and thousands’ claimed by deniers, have changed from believing climate change is upon us and man made into saying it doesn’t exist or it is natural. The fallacy is in believing science can cure everything, science has a pretty damn good track record, in the 20th century we went from living on average in our 40’s to living in our 70’s, for example, but most of our problems tend to be more about human frailty and foolishness, something science can’t really cure.