Any official word on yield or class number?

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@phuriku

Also, colleges very rarely self-report cross-admit data.

This is straight from Christoph Guttentag, the head of Duke Undergraduate Admissions…
[Admission:</a> Impossible? by Robert J. Bliwise - March/April 2012](<a href=“Duke Mag”>Duke Mag)
UC-Berkeley, about a forty-five minute drive from Harker, exerts a significant pull; despite its deepening California connection, Duke often loses out to Stanford University, along with Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. It does well against Cornell, Dartmouth, Columbia, Brown, and Georgetown. Guttentag notes that a higher percentage of Duke applicants now than in the past are looking at Stanford and MIT along with the Ivies, particularly the familiar “HYP” threesome. Duke’s yield rate— the rate at which accepted students attend Duke—has remained fairly steady, meaning, he says, that “we are holding our own against tougher and tougher competition.”</p>

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@phuriku

The reason that Duke competes as well as Stanford with Chicago cross-admits is obvious to any keen observer: some students hedge their bets by applying ED to Duke and EA to Chicago, thereby forcing students to go to Duke when admitted to both.

Phuriku, I have a lot of respect for you, but have you absolutely lost it? Duke has binding Early Admissions which means that an applicant who applies to Duke Early Decision can’t apply anywhere else in the early round (besides their in-state school like UMichigan or UVirginia).</p>

<p>You’ve gotten so desperate to prove that Chicago has overtaken Duke in popularity that you’re fabricating information. </p>

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@phuriku

The reason that Duke competes as well as Stanford with Chicago cross-admits is obvious to any keen observer: some students hedge their bets by applying ED to Duke and EA to Chicago, thereby forcing students to go to Duke when admitted to both. With Stanford being SCEA, this scenario does not exist with Chicago. Same goes for Cornell, Penn, and Columbia, who all perform relatively well against Chicago in comparison to Princeton, Stanford, MIT, and Caltech. When students actually have a chance to choose between schools and they’re not just hedging their bets, it’s likely that they’re choosing Chicago against Duke/Cornell 2/3 of the time and choosing Chicago against Columbia/Penn 1/2 of the time.

Your analysis is way off. Chicago has a self-selecting environment that is utterly unique so applicants are more likely to forego HYPSM for Chicago rather than schools like Penn or Duke which offer a similar environment.</p>

<p>Here’s how Duke does against the other Ivies and how Chicago does:</p>

<p>Duke vs. Dartmouth: Duke wins 60-40
UChicago vs. Dartmouth: Chicago wins 56-44</p>

<p>Duke vs. Penn: Penn wins 59-41
UChicago vs. Penn: Penn wins 71-29</p>

<p>Duke vs. Brown: Brown wins 56-44
UChicago vs. Brown: Brown wins 53-47</p>

<p>Duke vs. Cornell: Duke wins 77-23
UChicago vs. Cornell: Cornell wins 52-48</p>

<p>Duke vs. Columbia: Columbia wins 56-44
UChicago vs. Columbia: Columbia wins 60-40</p>

<p>Chicago does ever so slightly better against Brown than Duke but Duke trounces Cornell while Chicago barely loses out. Duke seems to lose fewer students to Penn than Chicago as well.</p>

<p>One thing is for sure: Chicago and Duke are seen in the same light as the lower Ivies even in prestige-conscious areas of California and New England. They are competing head to head very successfully.</p>

<p>Tier 1: HYPSM
Tier 2: Chicago, Duke, Caltech, Other 5 Ivies</p>

<p>Chicago and Duke are crushing other schools like Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Emory, Rice, and Wash U though so its clear they are seen as being more elite.</p>