Any schools to add to the list? [NY resident, 95 UW GPA, NMSF, 1570 SAT, likely Bio or Biochem]

What is the most likely plan with a bachelor’s degree in biology or biochemistry?

If medical school is likely, then you should be planning on helping him pay for a full 8 years of university. Even doctors do not make enough money to easily pay off the cost of medical school. In this case it is far easier to save $$$ by reducing undergraduate costs rather than by finding a low priced medical school (generally getting accepted to any MD program is highly competitive). Given your son’s excellent stats plus in-state status in New York if you wanted to it would be feasible to save significant $$ for the bachelor’s and leave money in the bank for medical school, while still getting an excellent education.

If research is the plan, then PhD’s are typically fully funded, which suggests that you might only need to pay for 4 years of university. One daughter with high school stats not all that much less than your son’s went with this path, and did get accepted to a very good biomedical-related PhD program (on the level of the schools on your list) with just a bachelor’s degree. She also had extensive research experience, which was probably a necessary part of what got her accepted to her top choice PhD program, but that is something that a student can get a start on at a very wide variety of undergraduate universities. The stipend for a PhD student is typically barely enough to live on, and a small amount of parent help can make it easier for a student to live comfortably for as long as it takes to get a PhD, but “small amount” is key here.

Sometimes students need to get a master’s before getting accepted to an appropriate PhD program, so being able to help a child pay for 6 years (4 year bachelor’s plus 2 year master’s) is not a bad plan.

Other than this, my first reaction to your son’s list is that there is no safety on the list
(except that I do not know Lehigh at all). The SUNY’s are obvious. UVM is another possibility, and is in an attractive small city.

My second reaction is that Northeastern is another good option to consider.

I like the area around Tufts. It is a bit quiet and suburban. It is however not all that far from Harvard square, and just a subway ride from Boston. Their graduate school of biomedical sciences is in a different location, in downtown Boston near Chinatown. Your son is however at least four years away from worrying about this.

Both highly ranked MD programs and PhD programs typically have students who got their bachelor’s degrees at a very wide range of universities and LACs. You really do not need to attend a university as highly ranked as the ones on your list in order to get a PhD at a school on the level of the ones on your list. There are lots and lots of universities that are very good for biology and biochemistry.

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I’ll echo @tsbna44 here – if he likes Emory, he might also consider WashU and Vandy.

Also – Georgetown might be “Catholic”, but based on what I have read here, it is not too in-your-face about it. It’s in a city, it’s a great school, and it’s well within your geographic radius. It is in that same peer group with WashU, Vandy, and Emory.

ETA: Have you considered Clark U? It would be a match or low match for him, probably. It’s in Worcester, MA, so proximity works. It’s not too rah-rah or Greek, and it’s known to be a quality school.

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Have you considered Johns Hopkins? It’s obviously another reach school but would seem to check a lot of your boxes.

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Also a decent college town, not too far from a significant city.

I’m expecting the answer will most likely be no, but to me it is a definitely a reasonable “just checking one more time” on the LAC angle.

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Oberlin is a beefy LAC, with about 3000 students. Great school, immense academic rep, but an easier admit than its reputation warrants. It’s probably a match for this applicant. So – it’s worth mentioning, imo.

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Post-college plans (sorry, I apparently have no idea how to quote the question), are most likely a Ph.D., possibly MD-Ph.D, which would also be funded. He would not need a master’s to apply to either. I realize he could accomplish that at a less rejective school and we do need to have some on the list. It would not be his preference but he would be fine.

UVM may be a possibility! We’ve been to Burlington and few times and like it a lot.

Northeastern I’m hesitant about. He would like the location but hate the coops. But maybe…

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Catholic is really his main hesitation about Georgetown. Perhaps worth a visit too. It is, of course, another reach.

Clark we’re actually considering for his sister, who’s looking at much smaller and less selective schools. It’s just too small for him.

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I was also going to suggest Johns Hopkins. It’s pretty life of the mind, which aligns with Chicago. It is, however, another very selection school.

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Some random thoughts based on the original list and others’ comments…

Kudos to your student; they have quite the strong academic record.

If you are looking for schools with a broad liberal arts curriculum and not just technical schools, why is GA Tech on the list? Others can chime in, but I always thought of GA Tech as a technical school, and not the place to study history or English lit.

I second the support for Pitt. It is affiliated with a world renowned research hospital and is generally strong in medical fields. Though fairly large (~20k students) the campus feels manageable. If your student applies there they should look into the honors program. Football is big at Pitt, but not all consuming like UofM or Alabama.

Next door to Pitt is CMU in the Oakland neighborhood. While CMU is extremely strong in many fields - engineering, public policy, natural sciences, business, design, theater, art, architcture, and of course comp sci - it is not known for its humanities programs. It is incredibly well resourced with recent major additions to its science building, comp sci building, a larger replacement for Scaife hall (science), a new athletic center, and new dorms. My son was like a kid on Christmas morning touring the labs in Science Hall. Our tour guide was an undergrad in Chem and he was part of a team that developed a medicine delivery system that was going through FDA review.

Case Western practices yield management and in the past high stats students have been deferred and invited to apply ED II. If interested, your student should show lots of interest with campus visits, Zoom info sessions, essays, etc. Case has close ties to University Hospital (which bisects the campus) and The Cleveland Clinic, and is strong in medical related majors. I think of Case as a down market CMU. This may not be a deciding factor for you, but if accepted, Case would likely offer a strong student like yours a healthy merit package. The school also encourages and facilitates double majors and minors; our tour guide was a MechE major with an Econ minor. The surrounding neighborhood is nice, and most of Cleveland’s cultural institutions - art museums, natural history museum, symphony, etc. - are walking distance from campus.

I second others who recommend you consider WashU.

While I think your student would almost certainly get into Pitt, you may want to add another “likely admit” (with the crazy college admission environment I cannot call anything a safety).

Good luck to your student.

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I’m thrown by the loved BU. Short of GW and maybe a few others (why I noted Charleston), you’ll be hard pressed to find that close to that level of urbanness - but a Pitt, VCU, Drexel abd more may be in range although some may be too large.

I didn’t see Northeastern on the list. Edit just read your comment on it.

But yeah you need to focus down market I think just to have variety. Hoping he loves Pitt. Urban but has a campus. Top school. Solves all issues.

Thank you for that! Looks like I got it now! :smile:

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Many older prestige schools started with some religious affiliations, including the ivies, but how much does that affect daily life on campus at Georgetown? Do some homework about school administrators being clergy, religious class requirements, and even requirements to attend services. You may find the school is Jesuit in name only.

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Hopkins is sort of on the list. But it is yet another super reach and harder than Chicago to get into from his school. Still, we’ll probably look into it further.

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GA Tech is no longer on the list. Sorry, I don’t think it’s clear from my original post. It was one of the schools we visited and ruled out. It was the school that helped S realize that tech schools are not for him.

Thank you for the info on CMU and Case! Both are definitely on the list of places to visit in the next few months. And agree that we need at least another likely in addition to Pitt, thus looking for suggestions on those.

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This is just based on a quick Google search, but looks like Georgetown has theology requirements, which would be a nonstarter.

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If not for yield management, your student would be a shoe-in at Case, but it’s crazy out there.

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Everyone is making assumption on stats. How about outside of class. Is he complete ?

Two more safety publics are U of SC, urban, top Honors school and a bit less urban but NC State. Both too big but if he likes UMD, maybe better fits - especially U of SC given its urban locale and near top rated Honors College - which makes it smaller in many ways. I believe there are non stops to Columbia -via Newark for sure. .

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Nothing extraordinary so far, which is another reason we can’t count on the reach schools. Research internship, which will likely result in a Regeneron submission next year, but no publications or big awards at least as of yet. Club and varsity sport (he’ll most likely be captain next year), some other school club leadership, volunteering, a summer job. He’ll probably add a few things in the next few months, but I’m not expecting him to be exceptionally impressive on this front.

You don’t need research. Just to be a kid. Summer job is good. Sports are good. Band. Walking dogs at the shelter etc
Doesn’t need research etc.

Sounds like he might be fine.

Hopefully he has things with tenure….

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