Anybody have a CCW / CHL / CWL License?

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<p>They did the same thing in Ohio with concealed carry. You can carry them concealedly (word?) but you cannot carry them in hospitals, schools, colleges, churches, parks, public buildings, or whereever someone puts a sign up. That is like allowing people to carry around basketballs but not being able to have them in black neighborhoods or in any parks or gyms. Totally stupid.</p>

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<p>Most colleges have penalties against carrying on campus but a few states allow it. The reason I am asking is because I have been the victim of crime before. In my current school I have seen one mugging, experienced 2 home invasions, and heard gun shots ringing out at night. I live off campus and am afraid to walk down my street at night. I go to school at Southern Illinois University in Carbondale.<br>
People in this neighborhood are causing trouble and the police are understaffed or unwilling to do anything about it. </p>

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<p>This town is filled with methheads who have been breaking into homes and stealing electronics. They then pawn them. Should I have to fear criminals just because I am on campus? I have been through Firearms Training, passed a background check, mentally stable, drug free, have never been convicted of a felony, and no history of domestic abuse. Do you know that much about the other people in your classes? </p>

<p>It seems that crime rates are higher in college towns and that the populace does not seem to care. The majority of students I HAVE MET (MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE) do not care for police but love to bash them when they are not around or make a mistake. I just feel I should be prepared as that was the motto I learned in boyscouts.</p>

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<p>momsdream is probably an active member of the Million Moron Mother March and the Brady Bunch Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.</p>

<p>Concealed carry actually makes a state safer. How come the three states with the highest violent crime rate per 100,000 people are the three states with the most restrictive gun laws (NJ, NY, CA)?</p>

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<p>I am jsut wondering WHY someone would want to carry around a loaded gun, and I have shot weapons and my Ds are going to take gun safety classes, but what does she think she is gonna do if her french lit class is invaded by aliens, take em out?</p>

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<p>Your preaching to the choir. I tried to explain it in my Political Science class. But they just put their fingers in their ears and ignored what I was trying to say. </p>

<p>Where you from Polo08816? I am in the peoples republic of IL.</p>

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<p>btw I was referring to space aliens, lest anyone thought otherwise</p>

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<p>Citygirlsmom: Imagine if your daughter is getting attacked. Rapes and other sexual assaults are very common on college campuses. A lot of college boys will hear yes when a girl clearly says NO. This kind of behavior is very common off campus. Mugging (of both women and men) is very common. I have a few friends who were jumped and mugged for their wallet after they were coming home from an astronomy lab (it was 3 on 1 in both instances). In both cases they just handed over their wallets and purses. One girl I know was raped while going for a midday jog around the campus. The police caught the rapist but the fact is that she still has nightmares and is terrified of her own shadow. Perhaps a gun would be a good way to prevent these kinds of incidents. Good people should not have to be victims to the whims of evil people. It is simple as that. A good way to think would be:</p>

<p>I am just wondering WHY someone would want to rape a young girl as she is jogging?</p>

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<p>People’s Republic of NJ. Unfortunately my future career is going to be based heavily in NJ - Pharmaceuticals…go figure.</p>

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<p>I would consider somewhere else heavily. It makes me wonder if people would accept the other rights being thrown out the window with the rest of the 2nd amendment.</p>

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<p>As clear as it is that gun control advocates don’t know what they are doing, I wouldn’t be able to move elsewhere because of my career. Maybe someday I will be very well-connected and be able to obtain a CCW from “friends” in government. In the meantime, at least a Florida non-resident permit will allow one to carrry in 37?38? states.</p>

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<p>I am hopefully going to be leaving the state of IL for a free state. I am tired of hoping the government will protect me. The sad thing is they do not have to and the police are not legally responsible either.</p>

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<p>“NO! Call the police! Dial 911 if you are ever attacked.”</p>

<p>Yes, so they can arrive 10 mins later to write a report and conduct an investigation as the the cause of my death. How much good would that do me.</p>

<p>Dial 1911! <- It’s just an expression. I, on the other hand, prefer HK USP Compacts or P2000s or a Sig P229.</p>

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<p>Here is my HK P2000sk…</p>

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<p>and my shotgun</p>

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<p>and the family</p>

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<p>Most campuses have security escort services and blue light emergency phones on campus. Instead of carrying guns and taking on the bad guys yourselves, why not reduce your risk in the first place?</p>

<p>I once watched a security expert say that unless you are absolutely sure that you can pull the trigger and take a life that you shouldn’t carry a gun. If you hesitate even a split second, an experienced criminal can turn your own gun on you. Not something to be taken lightly. At the very least, a self defense course in addition to a license should be considered, but your posts are so flip, I’m pretty sure this is falling on deaf ears.</p>

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<p>I also would be worried that a split second error in judgement might be disasterous. Even experienced police officers make mistakes like this. While we are gun owners, I don’t think I would want my young adult children to carry one (although I realize at that point I would have no say in the matter). I’d really rather have them avoid dangerous situations in the first place, or carry a non-deadly weapon such as mace, if protection was necessary.</p>

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<p>I take little comfort from the statistic that more people in the US die in automobile accidents every year (42,000 or so) than from firearms (30,000 or so). </p>

<p>No, triggers don’t pull themselves. But according to various reports I’ve heard from members of the Bush administration, it’s not unusual for responsible, sober gun owners to shoot one another entirely by accident.</p>

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If someone is a threat to my life, I will do whatever it takes to end that threat immediately, without hesitation or regret.
Most people who are trained and aware of the circumstances of a shoot/self-defense incident, don’t necessarily hesitate. They wait until it is CLEAR that the assailant will do harm. If they can make sure an eyewitness also sees this, they will wait/“hesitate” to make sure of it. Then they will STOP the THREAT using the force (most often, lethal) required.
The problem is that “dangerous situations” can arise in a “safe” environment. Criminals are not static and they WILL pursue their victims.
In the end, I’d rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6. If you are dead, you have NOTHING to fight for.</p>

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Law enforcement tends to be a “reactive” part, instead of a “proactive” part. In other words, law enforcement is NOT legally obligated to protect you. They must protect society as a whole.
Maybe you can wait for the police/security to arrive at that emergency phone, while the criminal “takes” you on.</p>

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<p>Im pretty “reactive” to this</p>

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<p>What does that have anything to do with CCW/CHL/CWL licenses? Even if it did, that video looks extremely biased. 95% of the video feed consists of a man talking, while only 5% actually shows an animal being shot. The video in itself doesn’t show ANYTHING.</p>

<p>For all you know, perhaps the design of new projectiles has a NET benefit on society. Perhaps these new projectiles will provide greater stopping power for law-abiding citizens in their defense against criminals and for law enforcement against street thugs.</p>