I’ve never seen anyone here argue against tipping the waitstaff. We all know they are paid a trivial amount on the assumption that they will receive tips. The argument is about the system. I think customers and waitstaff would all be far happier with a system that paid a normal wage and incorporated that cost into the price of the food, so no one has to bother with calculating a tip at the end of a meal and no server has to be at the mercy of individual ideas about what constitutes an appropriate tip. It’s a stupid system, (anyone know how it got started?), but, as noted, we’re stuck with it.</p>
<p>I sent that link about the PR debacle to my S, who is in the PR field. Told him he should consider starting his own social media crisis management firm --seems that’s the PR hotspot these days.</p>
<p>I think the waitress should have been fired–she held a customer up to public ridicule. I imagine she’s quite young and didn’t think this through. It’ll be a learning experience. A shame, though, that her name became public. This should have been a private matter between employer and employee.</p>
<p>Now onward to the more important issue of the day—critiquing Super Bowl commercials!</p>
<p>Some argue that they tip little because they don’t have the money. </p>
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<p>Why are you and others assuming that I don’t tip because I think that the tipping system is dumb. Someone like Tom that runs that NJ tax department should welcome getting rid of that oddity.</p>
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<p>Why are you assuming that I don’t tip?</p>
<p>I don’t go out to eat with a group unless I’m willing to pay for the entire group, tip included. Why are you assuming that I don’t? I don’t get why so many here leap to personal attacks based on a reasonable position.</p>
<p>In the spirit of the fitness page and hops challenge I recommend both hops and bc hang from a pull up bar to lengthen their arms because clearly their arms are short or their pockets deep.</p>
<p>BC I may be full of s…t but not here- you are being cheap if you do not tip. Do not frequent a restaurant if the system bothers you.</p>
<p>The tipping system really has very little impact on NJ’s tax system.</p>
<p>“This isn’t a minimum wage increase. It is an anomaly in how people are paid. If we had a minimum-wage system that was consistent, we wouldn’t have this tipping model.”</p>
<p>But the discussion turned to the European system and how wait staff there are paid as professionals. I can easily see the restaurant association being up in arms if wait staff had to paid that way. Their lobby would be all over it to see it would never see the light of day and the argument would be that it would hurt their business (ie profit) and they would have to lay off people.</p>
<p>Why do you think that anyone that has posted here doesn’t tip? Do you have any evidence here? The Duke Lacrosse case was about false accusations. If you don’t have any evidence to back up an accusation, then you are a false accuser.</p>
<p>The other restaurant “PR debacle” that wasn’t really. Chick Fil A. If you don’t want to tip don’t sit in my station. You are just cheap. I don’t care about your “reasons”. Signed-every waitroid ever.</p>
The price of the food excludes most of the personnel cost of the service–that’s the whole point of this discussion Are you being deliberately obtuse to amuse yourself?</p>
<p>“They said this about universal healthcare too, didn’t they?”</p>
<p>This is true though I’d argue that the many lobbies who were against it resulted in a far, less than ideal, piece of legislation. And the health care debate involved all Americans and all businesses. It’s easier to squash legislation when it involves only a small segment of society and there is no counter group like labor unions, for example, arguing in favor of the legislation.</p>
<p>I always have a problem with people not paying taxes but college kids working at Applebee’s most likely do not earn enough to have to pay NJ income tax. Especially if hops is their customer.</p>
<p>I am sorry you thought I meant you. I meant those that actually do not tip. I did not mean those that argue for a different system.</p>
<p>I haven’t read all the posts, life is too short–but has anybody here answered the pastor’s question? </p>
<p>I say—the waitress gets 18% (I would have given her 20) because God is not trying to put Himself through college while working at Applebees, God is not a single Mom trying to feed her kids & pay her rent, God is not holding down two jobs because her husband was laid off, God is not or 60 or 65 & up and trying to keep earning as long as possible because the retirement income is not going to be/is not very good. Any other reasons God might not need an 18% tip? </p>
<p>As to the “pastor,” my gosh, what is her congregation composed of, millionaires? She needs to reread the Beatitudes.</p>
<p>I am unaware of anyone here that actually doesn’t tip. Hops statement could lead one to believe that he doesn’t tip but I’d want something concrete before accusing someone else of being cheap.</p>
<p>An ad hominem (Latin for “to the man”), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument.[1] Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy,[2][3][4] more precisely an irrelevance.[5]</p>
<p>Abusive ad hominem (also called “personal abuse” or “personal attacks”) usually involves attacking the claims of an opponent trying to invalidate their arguments, but can also involve pointing out true character flaws or actions irrelevant to the opponent’s argument. Equating someone’s character with the soundness of their argument is a logical fallacy. Mere verbal abuse in the absence of an argument, however, is not ad hominem nor any kind of logical fallacy.[6]</p>
<p>How is this- for anyone that uses the argument that our system of compensating wait staff is flawed so they do not tip (or leave less than 15%) at sit down restaurants you are cheap- whoever you are. Is that better?</p>