<p>Read Alone’s post, please.</p>
<p>I did, please.</p>
<p>now, if we accept the way you’d like to define “creativity” (in the western sense, not the eastern sense - a point that i will not delve into right now), then, why is creativity so important?</p>
<p>when the dull, boring, uncreative, Asian, 24/7 studying, math/logic-obsessed, no-life, average engineer earns way beyond what the average “creative” non-Asian(or Asian) ARTIST/MUSICIAN could ever imagine, what is the benefit of being creative?</p>
<p>**note: this is how pandem wants to define ‘creativity’, in a cookie-cutter way that will allow his argument to go on without addressing the real concern, which is, what is the significance of creativity if you so decided to define it that way? that is the pivotal point here…</p>
<p>Are you seriously asking me why creativity is important? </p>
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<p>i didn’t just ask. i also gave you a whole new counter example. address it if you wish</p>
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<p>I am not sure why it is important (or not). The point I was trying to make that under conditions provided in place where I live, I didn’t have the choice to be free of dogmas and illogical crap being shoved into my head (respect elders because, err, ok you think too much go study instead) or study 24/7. I had only latter. But if you are free to choose, you can choose any of the two which fits you both. I know people who would be happy to spend their life solving unsolved math problems, and I know people who would be happy to create something useful in everyday life which would be simple but extremely successful. It’s up to you what to choose (depending on your tastes, both are perfectly fine), and I think that under the Western mentality, you have the freedom of choice between the first and the second. I can’t talk for South-East Asian countries, but I can assure you that here there is no choice – you study A LOT like everyone or you suck.</p>
<p>Ok copied it into word and put in line breaks. Very interesting. I know a Korean kid who sort of talked about that but didn’t explain it as well.</p>
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Why do you define your life by your level of income?</p>
<p>Because there’s more to life than numbers? You can’t solve every problem with academic and mathematical brute force. Creativity is what has sparked hundreds of human inventions and innovations over history.</p>
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Well this is actually very relevant to the point I was trying to make to pandem. You ask me why I define things a certain way. Now pandem needs to explain why his version of “creativity” is significant at all, or his argument/definition won’t stand.</p>
<p>This whole thread has been an argument in SEMANTICS, and no one has cared to explain the significance of the way they so decided to define things a certain way.</p>
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<p>Right… and those human inventions and innovations have had very little to do with numbers…</p>
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<p>creativity, which is basically grounded in aesthetics (the way you define it), lies in the eyes of the beholder.</p>
<p>nobody would argue that albert einstein, the math genius, wasn’t creative…in fact if he were here right now he’d probably be enjoying a cocktail with a group of asian/indian/white physicists…</p>
<p>I’m not going to explain to you why creativity is essential and extremely useful. You’re on the internet. Any person with common sense can understand why the ability to come up with new ideas is an integral component in the development of new ideas.</p>
<p>Do you think programmers are the only people working at software companies? Of course not. They employ designers who use their creativity to build a useable interface around the code built by programmers.</p>
<p>It’s not an US or THEM mentality. The reason the US has been successful is because it’s a mix of various cultures and peoples; people who have varied talents and know how to complement each other.</p>
<p>I’m sorry friend, but you’re extremely lacking in knowledge. Google creativity and read some, then get back to us.</p>
<p>[Creativity</a> - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity]Creativity”>Creativity - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>All I can say is China is raising as a superpower, and no matter how much you bash us saying we’re not creative, we’ll still raise. Comfort yourselves with a false hope I guess. Nothing I can do.</p>
<p>What is the first image I see on that link you gave me? It somewhat resembles a helicopter, and was designed by da vinci. This requires profusive knowledge in engineering.</p>
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<p>those designers usually do not come from the art department. they are mostly former programmers/engineers who have worked their way up the company. lol</p>
<p>plus to make a feasible design, you absolutely need to know the technicalities, or else it’s just not gonna work</p>
<p>student01, can we just agree that when a person is forced/encouraged to be creative in one area, it is really hard (unless you are insanely smart) to be good in ‘seeing’ in another field because that needs a whole lot of refocusing? There were times when I was very into math, and I could solve easiest IMO problems. Formulas and properties were spinning in my head, and when I saw a problem I instinctively recognized the smallest details that led me to choice of this or that approach to the problem. It was loaded into my mind, and I could decompose it in little parts and use my creativity to find a way to solve the problem. But if you asked me what type of a company would be a huge success in the country I live in, I would not be able to analyze and tell you – I was not into it, and had no idea about it at that time – I was bad at that type of ‘creativity.’ Now it’s somewhat opposite – I am not that into math anymore, and prefer to focus on everyday happenings, which in turn, loaded in my head as formulas when solving math problems, help me analyze the world around me and find, say, a type of service/product that could be an instant hit given current demands of people in this region. So basically, it’s the same creativity, but what I don’t like is that here students are forced to apply it only to academics, and that’s why this country (and a number of other post-USSR countries) is pretty behind. If at least some of these brilliant minds were encouraged to use their vision/creativity to analyze the everyday things and apply the solutions, then the overall state of this region would have been much, much better. Unfortunately, government is run by inept politicians, who appear to have none of that ‘creativity.’</p>
<p>If we take your line of thought, then why do architects, landscape architects, graphic designers, industrial designers, fashion designers, or any other designers exist? </p>
<p>Surely a civil engineer could design a more functional building. Surely a mechanical engineer could design a better ipod. Surely a programmer could design a better website.</p>
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YES, that is exactly what I’ve been saying. People are creative in their own/different ways, and thus it’s almost ridiculous to say that someone is ‘more creative’ than another. it’s the simple concept of comparing apples and oranges.</p>
<p>I made a comment earlier how an artist will always be more creative in art and an engineer will always be more creative in engineering.</p>
<p>unfortunately for pandem, “creativity” includes everything, but for some odd reason, it excludes math. and he’s failed to explain the significance, reason, or rationale behind why he decides to exclude math from the definition of “creativity”.</p>
<p>as for you, pandem, the book “On Intelligence” by Jeff Hawkins may help.
there’s a chapter devoted to the science of creativity, as the book enlightens about how the neocortex, a certain region in the brain, works.</p>
<p>all of those designers you mentioned use math and in one way or another</p>