<p>"Of course, that is so obvious…except for the fact that, how many college administrators and Grutter US Supreme Ct justices are/were URM and would benefit from that advantage? "</p>
<p>They want certain group to have an advantage. I’m not saying it’s totally unfair but it is what it is.</p>
<p>^^ That too.</p>
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<p>No, this is not what they want. They want all groups to be represented, which is different. Asians and women were/are beneficiaries of AA, too.</p>
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<p>Are you saying, the UC acceptance <em>rates</em> went up? Or, are just more Asian and Asian Americans attending the UCs. Those are two different things.</p>
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They might be, but not when it comes to college admissions(unless you are a women applying to a engineering school or a Hmong/Thai/Viet)</p>
<p>I think it was already shown that there was no change in the Asian acceptance rate at UCBerkeley the year that Prop 209 went into effect.</p>
<p>I completely and totally agree with you, sewhappy.
That is a great idea. It would certainly level the playing field with the ESSAY.</p>
<p>But what about the RESUME? Planning how to spend one’s time can still be “gamed”, LOL!!!</p>
<p>The AdComms worry about some not having access to test prep, so why not worry about all this other support and designing that can happen?</p>
<p>I said it earlier–many (not all) kids are jumping the shark to get noticed (or are feeling the pressure to do so), but some great kids are just not getting HOW to package themselves, WHAT to do among a set of choices that all please them, and do not have the organizational support or all that many resources to work with… They are not always URM’s or certain RACES or FIRST GENS or even low SES- maybe just great, genuine kids, bumbling along without a really fine-tuned sense of how the real world works yet. I love kids like that, personally, just KIDS! Who learn at their own pace, and pick things up along the way. At any rate, my own kids refuse too much involvement by me or other adults and hate the whole idea of packaging and strategizing their lives into an image, so they do make mistakes of their own making, and may miss a boat (or even a ship!) or two LOL. My point is not whether kids like that deserve to go to an elite college or not, but whether the elite colleges have set up a system that misses out on some of the kids that might be great additions to their schools- The elites definitely do not feel that way, I am sure.
But the system is not perfect or fool-proof, not that this is their goal either LOL. They feel they have PLENTY of applicants.</p>
<p>To me, American holistic college admissions to elites is a journey for a student (and whatever “village” he/she may have, more and more) towards a sophistication of how to distinguish yourself while being a high-achiever. NO, there is not a uniform to-do list of boxes to check off. But it does feel a lot like a game. Maybe selecting for kids who can figure it out (or have a “village” to help with that) is fine. Only a small subset of kids is doing this naturally, I submit. Learning that and requiring a certain amount of dedication and strategy to accomplish ANY goal is great, but it feels sort of twisted, given that holistic admissions is looking to figure out “who each student really is.”
A taste of the real world, I guess.
Some really great kids just are not ready to all this and/or do not have the resources. Who cares? There are way too many good applicants already… And there are lots of great places to get a college education!</p>
<p>In light of “Asians”, draw what conclusions you wish!</p>
<p>performersmom,
All of your concerns about proper “packaging” for holistic admissions can be completely avoided by applying to colleges that look only at GPAs or GPAs and test scores. That is the beauty of the American college system. You don’t have to play the “game” if you don’t want to.</p>
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<p>Well of course AA is not going to apply to women and Asians when they are already well represented.</p>
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<p>I just want to know why AA exists. Can you explain this?</p>
<p>woeishe - that is an interesting question coming from an African American Libertarian high school student! :p</p>
<p>“Well of course AA is not going to apply to women and Asians when they are already well represented.” </p>
<p>following this logic, where is AA in NFL and NBA?</p>
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<p>Read the Grutter opinion. It will explain it all. [GRUTTER</a> V. BOLLINGER](<a href=“http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-241.ZO.html]GRUTTER”>GRUTTER V. BOLLINGER)</p>
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<p>That logic does not follow. </p>
<p>And for the second time, using race as a factor in admissions is not mandated. Colleges do not have to use it. If the NFL and NBA want to use it, they are free to do so.</p>
<p>Article from the Daily Princetonian about the class of 1977.</p>
<p>They rave that they even had one alumni that was a minority!</p>
<p>But don’t let any kids read the admissions rates and SAT scores in here.</p>
<p>[The</a> Daily Princetonian Larry DuPraz Digital Archives — Daily Princetonian Special Class of 1977 Issue 24 July 1973 — Class of 1977 records 1,120 entering freshmen](<a href=“http://theprince.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/princeton?a=d&d=Princetonian19730724-01.2.66&cl=&srpos=0&dliv=none&st=1&e=-------en-logical-20--1-----all---]The”>http://theprince.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/princeton?a=d&d=Princetonian19730724-01.2.66&cl=&srpos=0&dliv=none&st=1&e=-------en-logical-20--1-----all---)</p>
<p>^Interesting how low those SAT scores are, no wonder none of my friends had problems getting into HYP in those days. (Class of 80, 6 attended H, 4 attended Y, 2 attended P)</p>
<p>I’m glad my kids had weeks to write their essays, not a couple of hours. (Though they both did fine on AP essays, it took them a lot of thought to come up with good approaches to the personal essay, especially since they had never written anything remotely like that before.)</p>
<p>But scores were recentered later, remember, so that is a factor.</p>
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They want certain group to have an advantage.
No, this is not what they want. They want all groups to be represented, which is different. Asians and women were/are beneficiaries of AA, too. </p>
<p>Ha! I propose the following representation:</p>
<p>AfAms: 10%
Whites: 10%
Latinos: 20%
Asians: 60%</p>
<p>Simple. All groups are represented.</p>
<p>You can’t do that, cmarmon, quotas are not permitted.</p>
<p>AA doesn’t apply to sports. It’s self-selecting, and coaches/team owners aren’t looking for diversity they’re looking for skills.</p>