<p>I’d like to give Canuckguy and his “divide et impera” theory a shout out, particularly since I have fallen prey to it before.</p>
<p>Several users in this thread have tried to “split” East and South Asians. Examples as follows:</p>
<h1>2458 - But I do wonder about how this issue affects (and is perceived by) South Asians. I think most of those Asians who have discussed this here before are from Chinese families.</h1>
<h1>1331 - In the most IQ-taxing fields, East Asian representation actually declines as one goes to higher levels of selection, while the white, Jewish and Indian (Asian) representation progressively increases.</h1>
<p>The last one is especially interesting in light of IndianParent’s posts in the last ten or so pages. Here we finally have input from a South Asian, but the posts sound a lot like they came from…an East Asian. Funny how the CC’ers who previously tried to split South and East Asians were now reaggregating them as one.</p>
<p><a href=“3”>quote</a> most Asians don’t self-reflect in their essays because their culture is not really about the self. On (3) it would help the Asian cause if they truly self-reflected on their goals starting in grade 9 and thought about which colleges are good fits for them. A complaint often heard is that they simply apply to HYPS+next seven on US news list and don’t reflect enough.
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<p>Isn’t that reflection enough? You may not like what it shows, but that’s nother story.</p>
<p>IP, why are you bringing this up in the context of my post? I posted the correct statistics for the admit rates of Asians and Whites at UCLA and Cal. Did I post anything about Prop 209 and URMs? </p>
<p>Fwiw, the other element in my post is my speculation that the narrowly higher level of admissions of Asians over white students at the UC system is reversed at the private universities. Do you disagree with such assumption?</p>
<p>Fwiw, here is one set of numbers for you to “chew on”</p>
<p>If whites are admitted at a 25.5 rate a Cal and 24.9 at UCLA and Asians at 26.8 and 26.5 at the corresponding schools, what could one conclude if Stanford admitted white students at 6.8 percent and Asians at 5.5 percent?</p>
<p>One conclusion might be discrimination, but another might be that given the fact that Stanford is 1/4 the size of Cal and UCLA, the legacy preferences and athletic admits are going to bump up the percentage of White admits.</p>
<p>There are lots of differences between South Asians and East Asians. Different food. Different language. Different skin color. Different interest in sports, movies, literature. </p>
<p>But when it comes to raising kids, the culture is pretty much the same.</p>
<p>I thought this was already addressed also. Increased Asian immigration, higher numbers of Asians applying, and lower yields of White admits all pushed up the enrollment numbers.</p>
<p>It wouldn’t be.
Nor would it be safe to assume it would rise to 50%. </p>
<p>Are we trying to explain why Asian enrollment at Yale isn’t as high as Asian enrollment at Cal Tech or Berkeley? If so, I don’t think we get to that 50% only by eliminating any thumb on the test score scales for other races. Now, if we also eliminate every aspect of holistic admissions, maybe we do (though I think one of xiggi’s posts showed why that’s unlikely.)</p>
<p>Still, you cannot have it both ways. You cannot demand numbers-driven admissions, then turn up your nose at good schools that offer exactly that just because they aren’t prestigious enough. Why exactly do you think HYP are more prestigious than anywhere else? Quite a few other schools have equally good faculty, equally good facilities, and essentially the same academic programs. Part of the difference is the long, storied histories of the oldest colonial colleges. The more important factor is the students. Strictly by the numbers, the differences between students at HYP and the other Ivies (Duke, JHU, Chicago, etc.) are rather small. The big differences are in the ECs, exactly the qualities that get subjective scrutiny. HYP get a big share of smart movie stars, “story” kids, celebrity offspring, and such. This is a big factor in their mystique and prestige.</p>
<p>Would they have equal network and prestige value to you with a class full of immigrant STEM majors?</p>
<p>I’m not sure why this is a “better” question. First of all, how do you know it doesn’t exist? Also, why not ask the same about Ivy League orchestras, theatre departments and math and science departments?</p>
<p>I think there was some posts here which complained of cheating in SATs by foreign (Asian) students. In light of the Atlanta scandal, I think we would all do well to mend our own houses first.</p>
<p>This is also why I think recommendations are useless. They are full of subjective bias.</p>
<p>I don’t think so. Unfortunately, new posters tend to jump in without reading the entire thread or doing sufficient independent research, forcing us to repeat the same rebuttals over, and over and over.</p>