are colleges racist?

[epiphany]

<p>quote from epiphany:

:Wonder all you like, but I will tell you that there is not much difficulty overcoming a bias when two students with different last names are placed side by side

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<p>quote from IP:

How do you know?

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<p>How dishonest of you to quote only the first part of the sentence and not the second half, and the sentence which followed:

but the one with the Italian last name is clearly the kind of brain which JHS mentioned the faculty strongly prefers to the one with the non-Italian last name. Watch how quickly self-interest (for the institution) trumps negative or positive social engineering.

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[IndianParent]

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What you can count on them not doing is making decisions which may jeopardize the economic standing of the institution.

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We value much more than “I’ve-got-mine” economic success in this country.

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<p>Looks like they don’t practice what they preach.</p>

[IndianParent]

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How dishonest of you to quote only the first part of the sentence and not the second half, and the sentence which followed:

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<p>OK, please accept my apologies and then answer my question. How do you know?</p>

[epiphany]

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What does that have to do with the typical leadership ECs that applicants cite? How is running a student organization indicative of “represent democratic ideals of opportunity, inclusion, and representation for all peoples living here”?

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<p>Those “typical leadership EC’s” are not necessarily what H, Y, and P are looking for. You just assume they are, that’s all. Since I interview for leadership scholarships, I know what the elite institutions are typically looking for (as opposed to what is assumed they are looking for).</p>

[IndianParent]

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Those “typical leadership EC’s” are not necessarily what H, Y, and P are looking for. You just assume they are, that’s all. Since I interview for leadership scholarships, I know what the elite institutions are typically looking for (as opposed to what is assumed they are looking for).

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<p>What are leadership scholarships, and what are the elite institutions typically looking for?</p>

[epiphany]

<p>

Looks like they don’t practice what they preach.

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<p>One does not exclude the other. You just assume that they are mutually exclusive. The elites get to feast on both: students who accomplish, and students with values beyond their tiny individual worlds. And choosing such students allows them to maintain their market share against competitor universities.</p>

[IndianParent]

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If, say, many Latino children were to be forced by parents to undertake intensive test-prep, and dedicated their high school lives simply to college applications, then there would be an undeniable prejudice against Latino applicants by adcoms. At any college/university, Latinos would be expected to send in more impressive resumes (as Asian applicants are much expected to today) if they want to be accepted into those selective schools. This prejudice could actually be applied to any race (Asian/Latino/Caucasian/African/etc.) as long as the group receiving the prejudice is known for spending significantly more time on padding applications than other races, thus making college admissions not racist, per se, but ‘adaptively prejudiced’ against applicants.

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<p>I wonder if this is how HYPSM professors grade coursework. The student to studies hard is required to get much higher marks in order to get an A, while the student who puts in little-to-no-effort can get an A with far lower marks.</p>

[IndianParent]

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One does not exclude the other. You just assume that they are mutually exclusive. The elites get to feast on both: students who accomplish, and students with values beyond their tiny individual worlds. And choosing such students allows them to maintain their market share against competitor universities.

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<p>I guess when it comes to guiding principles and values, some do believe that there is such a thing called half pregnant. I was raised differently.</p>

[epiphany]

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What are leadership scholarships, and what are the elite institutions typically looking for?

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<p>They’re looking for students who give two figs for causes beyond the Self, who have shown that they can actually sacrifice Self now and then for ideals.</p>

[epiphany]

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I wonder if this is how HYPSM professors grade coursework. The student to studies hard is required to get much higher marks in order to get an A, while the student who puts in little-to-no-effort can get an A with far lower marks.

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<p>[FAQ</a> - Office of the Dean of the College](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/odoc/faculty/grading/faq/]FAQ”>http://www.princeton.edu/odoc/faculty/grading/faq/)</p>

[Bay]

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However, cute, quirky essays from class clowns shouldn’t count.

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<p>Why not? What is the difference between an applicant who can claim he won a Rotary Club award for his cute, quirky essay, and an applicant who HYPS think <em>deserves</em> an award for his cute, quirky essay?</p>

[collegealum314]

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Why not? What is the difference between an applicant who can claim he won a Rotary Club award for his cute, quirky essay, and an applicant who HYPS think <em>deserves</em> an award for his cute, quirky essay?

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<p>If it is cute, quirky writing like the dialogue in the movie Juno, then I think it should count. However, I think adcoms ability to evaluate this is suspect. I’ve already told my shoe story. Harvard adcoms thought it was hilarious that a guy sent in a shoe and said, “Now that I’ve got my foot in the door, let in the rest of me.” According to the adcom, that was what got this guy in. And a bunch more people started to do the same thing. To me, that’s not a future Seinfeld writer. Maybe people disagree on that. I don’t know.</p>

[Bay]

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To me, that’s not a future Seinfeld writer.

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<p>Are you saying that you are better than Harvard at determining who should be admitted?</p>

[IndianParent]

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They’re looking for students who give two figs for causes beyond the Self, who have shown that they can actually sacrifice Self now and then for ideals.

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<p>Causes like … equal treatment of all races in college admissions? Will that work?</p>

<p>Scratch that. Causes like what?</p>

[IndianParent]

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I’ve already told my shoe story. Harvard adcoms thought it was hilarious that a guy sent in a shoe and said, “Now that I’ve got my foot in the door, let in the rest of me.” According to the adcom, that was what got this guy in.

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<p>That is beyond ridiculous.</p>

[Bay]

<p>

That is beyond ridiculous.

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<p>I imagine it is difficult for conformists to understand that taking risks often pays off.</p>

[IndianParent]

<p>This is why I think quirky essays shouldn’t count.</p>

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[Bay]

<p>Why should any essay award count then, unless the award is proctored by the college itself?</p>

[epiphany]

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Causes like … equal treatment of all races in college admissions?

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<p>Causes like generosity, magnanimity, the ability to look beyond self-interest; causes like extending opportunity to all races generously, without spite, arrogance, and resentment.</p>

[Bay]

<p>And regarding your acceptable criteria that considers only awards given for violin – what about an applicant who plays the fiddle in a famous country music band – does he get thrown in the reject pile because he didn’t have any awards for his talent?</p>