Are these Universities good enough for an International seeking low contribution? [3.78 GPA, rank 1]

It is a bit vague that you compare them to IIT’s. They focus only on academics, in addition, many of my IB (IB students cannot join an IIT) friends with great extracurricular’s did get in few of the t50s and t20s.

I mainly want to come there just for the sake of education, I have no intention of earning.

Thank you for the reply.

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You’ll have to find a place. You can’t expect someone else to pay your way. You can hope but you cannot expect. And that’s what you are doing.

People pay, often more than half of them, near $100k per year to attend US schools you existed. Even though these meet need, they are out of the reach of many, if not most U.S. students.

In addition to your defined budget and most have one - the school’s need to agree.

I had a $50k budget for my kids. No school that cost more agreed. I got zero aid.

You very well might get aid if you get in but it will be what a school decides, not what you decide.

Bottom line, if you want to leave India, I’m guessing you’ll need to find another country.

I do wish you luck though and hope you get an affordable acceptance. I don’t see it but I am not an admission or financial aid officer. And hope is not a plan. So if you want to leave, make a non US plan in case it’s needed.

Good luck.

Hmm :thinking:

I wonder how the country has such a vast pool of technology talent. All those hundreds of thousands of employees at the India offices of Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Meta and dozens of other companies - I do wonder where they were educated!

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Your safeties are in India. Why only the US? There are other countries. The US has a good system of education, but so do other countries.

The definition of a safety is a university that will meet your budget (affordable), fits you, and where you would be happy to attend.

Your budget of $10 to $12 K per year, barely covers your room costs, it probably doesn’t include your food fees. You also need to pay for medical insurance because the universities require it. You need to cover tuition and fees, so unless your budget is $40k annually, I think you’re not in a good place.

I’m trying to describe it in a linear fashion so that you can understand that the cost of funding, for a US university education, is not simplified.

It includes tuition, fees, room and board, books, health insurance, disposable income for discretionary needs like toiletries, lab fees, supplemental texts, pharmaceuticals, an occasional pizza, uber/lyfts, etc. You’re asking for a university to cover you for YOUR expenses.

With a student visa, you cannot work to pay your university tuition expenses. You are limited in how many hours you can work on campus. Most students work very few hours because they need to maintain their grades. You can’t rely on an on campus job to fund a majority of your expenses while on campus.

The definition of “need blind” is when the admissions committee is reviewing your application they don’t look at whether or not you “need” funding to attend. They are BLIND to whether or not you NEED money to attend.

So they may say “OK let’s admit this student, but we’re not going to give him any money.”

What do you do then?

The schools you’ve listed have huge Costs of attendance fees/expenses. This is why they are reaches and you can’t afford them.

They’re very selective and they want different types of students. They may want a classical oboe player, or a tuba player for their marching band who is a legacy (parents are alumni). They may want an athlete who will be playing in the Olympic games, for their teams on campus. They may want a Malala or a Greta Thunberg. The universities have a finite number of seats; they have even smaller numbers of dollars to fund students.

You and a very large number of your compatriots want to leave your country, but where would you go?

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This could easily happen at a college that doesn’t meet full need…whether need blind or need aware.

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I agree with your statement, but the vast majority of people working in these companies did Masters in the USA.

I never knew that you could also get financial aid rejected after you apply to a need-blind school.

Thank you for the reply

I do not know, The US seems like the only option there is, no other country provides financial aid as much as it does for undergraduates.

I am so sorry, about your children.

Thank you

My firm has a large technology group in India that reports up to me, so I can say from personal experience that this is completely inaccurate. I’d estimate that less than 5% of my team holds a foreign degree. The same was true at my previous company, which has an even larger presence in India.

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Most countries are also significantly cheaper to get an undergraduate degree than the US to begin with.

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You could possibly get accepted, but not qualify for as much need based aid as you think you need. Or you not qualify for any aid…

I think this might be what @aunt_bea means.

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@Charann,

Additionally: nearly all public schools are need blind for admissions but typically provide 0 need based aid to international students.

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This is what I mean.

You could, for example, apply to any top public school (Berkeley, Michigan, etc.) and they may accept you, but as an international, your parents haven’t been paying taxes into the state where that university is located and funded by those residents.

Hence you’re not a resident, and they can’t afford to fund non residents, so you pay the full fees. Your admission was reviewed as “need blind”, but funding wasn’t included nor guaranteed. You’re considered a cash cow at these schools. In other words, they expect you to pay in full.

Your budget may work in other countries. It may not work for the US, but you never know.

Reduce your list of schools and maybe add one or two schools that are in Europe.

Make sure that you can apply in your country as well. You’ve picked an impacted major in the United States; the seats for CS are very very limited.

I say this because I have two children graduates of CS programs and those programs were extremely competitive and students were known to drop out of some of those programs because of the intense amount of work. You have no SAT score and this is an issue for you.

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Anyways, It is over for me, My SAT score is 1430. There is no more ambition left. I have expected too much to remain in sorrow.

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I got no hopes left, I got a 1430 Score. There is virtually no way to study in Europe on a full ride.

I am truly sad for wasting your effort putting together such a reply.

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My knowledge is limited to where I am, and what I have seen. I truly apologise for it.

But, I really do not want to be in this place… there are a ocean of reasons, that I have faced that I have come to this point. It would be quite too much for me to share my feeling with such a formal forum. Hence, I try to be as brief as I can.

I don’t want to go the university to work in a company, I don’t care if I be homeless but I want to go there so I can perhaps contribute to the world in a way that would help humanity.

OP- big hug for you.

All is not lost. There are dozens of ways to contribute to society and make a difference. It is always hard to pivot- but once you take your focus away from “I want to get a Bachelor’s in the US” and towards a different plan, your options will become clearer.

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My goal was not to disappoint anyone with my reply. The goal was to enlighten you and make you aware. Our schools are really expensive. We have a lot of US students that can’t afford to go. So you’re not alone.

The universities are watching their budgets carefully because many have lost federal funding.

There are schools and universities that arent in India. Your goal should be to be research those schools and become educated. There are European universities that are much less expensive that may meet your budget.

Right now you should explore those and send in a couple applications to some need universities. Shoot your shot and see if one sticks. Believe me I understand. It sucks not to have money. All you can do is try.

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You have not wasted. We all learn together. And sometimes we are not correct.

There was a student yesterday - full pay so more options - but everyone said wasn’t qualified to study here - and turns out he had an offer last year at an outstanding college but declined it.

So in that case there was maybe not the best info presented.

We are all human.

For you I hope we are wrong but everyone gives their best guidance. We, of course, hope it’s right.

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Thank you for the Hugs :slightly_smiling_face:

I am really not seeing the degree nor the status quo. Just the access of education that they can provide is unmatchable, you see your universities are inclined towards research. Mine are not. You could say I could come for the masters but 4 years of time is too long to bridge.