<p>"My roommate freshman year usually went to sleep at 6am and got up at noon and then did it again, day after day. "</p>
<p>Whose fault is that?</p>
<p>"I wouldn’t consider an unwillingness to get up at 9am lazy. 9am really is early if you’re going to bed around 4am. "</p>
<p>and…whose fault is that?</p>
<p>You have to revolve your schedule around the rest of the world. Being a college student doesn’t give you carte blanche. You don’t get your own weird hours of business. If you have SO much to do it is causing you to stay up until 4-6am you are mildly stupid at planning a schedule.</p>
<p>I would argue that college life does not equal the rest of the world in terms of hours. If you don’t have morning classes, I don’t really see a reason to be up at 9am on a regular basis. A lot of responsible, hard-working students here are not awake at 9am. In college you adjust your life around the hours of your classes and activities. If your classes and activities don’t require that you wake prior to noon, then I don’t see the problem. In this particular case, these students were working with a RUE student and should have been considerate to try to take that into account, but in all of my experiences with group projects here, a very legitimate meeting time is 11pm. And I’m not defending myself here–I’ve had classes at 9am every semester of my experience here–but I don’t see that as me doing the “right” thing, or something to do because I have a responsibility to “match” the world outside this campus–because I don’t, and I have nothing I need to really match up with. It just so happens that the classes I want are at 9am.</p>
<p>Also, if you’re really not a morning person and do your best work at 3 am, then you can change your schedule to reflect that… it’s not that people who wake up at 11 or 12 are necessarily sleeping more, just differently.</p>
<p>Although, I’ve gotten in the habit this semester of waking up at 8 or so and going to breakfast every day, even though I don’t have class until 11 or so. It can feel nice to have that time and not have to rush, etc.</p>
<h1>1 How many classes or activities take place in the middle of the night?</h1>
<h1>2 A college student’s preferences of when they do their homework hold’s much less weight than someone with actual life responsibilities such as taking their kids to school. As an adult you have to get up and do things when the world says you have to. There is no option. College students can make a choice to stay up at 3am and do work but if they are working on a group project with someone with REAL schedule restraints and not just preferences of lifestyle then this person should adjust accordingly or leave the group and find another.</h1>
<p>So, like I said before: being a college student does not give you carte blanche. You have a sleep/work pattern you have chosen. No other human is reliant on you. It is your choice to stay up late and sleep in late. You could easily get up at a normal time and sleep at a normal time, but you choose not to.</p>
<p>You have no job that requires your presence at 6:15am (as I did for 2 years). It didn’t matter if I did my best work at 3am!! I had to be in bed by 10 to get sleep, which meant homework was done in the timeslot after dinner NOT when I FELT like doing it. I did it when I HAD the time do it. If other school activities blocked that slot they were pushed aside. Too bad! Priorities are taken. I wasn’t about to stay up until 3 doing homework if I had to be at work at 6 or 7. If I failed at planning it was my fault not anyone else’s. (Though I don’t remember that ever happening.)</p>
<p>Comparing flexible college student responsibilities which, in my opinion, are somewhat superficial… with real ones… is pathetic. You’ll see when you put your big-boy or big-girl pants on.</p>
<p>I’m not sure what point you’re arguing wolfmanjack… people obviously move things around in ways you can’t do when you have to operate at business hours, and even if you generally sleep late, if you have to get up at 8:30 a few times for a group project, you just deal with it… but I don’t think anyone is trying to say that you can always manipulate your schedule the way you can in college.</p>
<p>It seemed as though excuses were being made for a student who couldn’t meet at 9am, because he felt it was too early for him (advance notice was given), for a group project with someone who was getting up at 4am and driving in specifically for this meeting. And I’ll argue that one for as long as I have to.</p>
<p>FWIW I would never meet for a group project after 9pm. 8am-9pm is a big time-slot and if no one can fit it tough luck.</p>
<p>wolfmanjack, I’m not trying to argue with you nor did I say that it was excusable for the student to just not do it when there was another person in the group who had real world responsibilities that the rest of the group did not. Like I said, in cases in which there are individuals with more pressing responsibilities(like job and kid), then the rest of us very well should try to adjust and accommodate. I never said that it was okay in that situation to just not make it. I simply said that discontentment over having to get up that early in college does not make one lazy. </p>
<p>RE: Airport
TF Green connects to a fair number of international airports and Boston is fairly reasonable to reach. Just take the commuter rail up to South Station($7.75 each way) and then the Silver Line to Logan International Airport($1.70 if you have a Charlie Card and $2.00 for the rest of everyone.) The rail lines are fairly spacious with plenty of space to put your luggage and the bus ride from South Station to the airport is like 10-15mins and runs pretty frequently.</p>
<p>Right. But failing to pull your weight in the project (aka do a simple task) AND not want to get up at 9am points toward lazy. I was trying to focus on the inability of this person to deal with someone’s normal schedule when he had an abnormal schedule compared to the rest of the daytime working people out there, even though his abnormal schedule was opted into.</p>
<p>And I never disagreed with you that this person was in the wrong. I simply said his possession of an abnormal sleep schedule was not the laziness. I was tending towards a more general statement, whereas I think you were talking specifics with this particular case. </p>
<p>Also, corruption in Providence doesn’t really affect us here…other than the fact that Via Via is sketchily open past 2AM, which is probably actually a bonus for high people with the munchies.</p>
<p>" Right. But failing to pull your weight in the project (aka do a simple task) AND not want to get up at 9am points toward lazy. I was trying to focus on the inability of this person to deal with someone’s normal schedule when he had an abnormal schedule compared to the rest of the daytime working people out there, even though his abnormal schedule was opted into."</p>
<p>OK. Some crappy group members exist at Brown. Most people are pretty flexible. Most college students go to bed (relatively) late and wake up (relatively) late. The end.
I think we’ve exhausted whatever possible value this thread of conversation had to begin with.</p>
<p>Yes, the argument about what time people wake up isn’t really helping. Can you tell me the average number of classes a student takes, what Freshman year is like, what normal weekends are like?</p>
<p>There’s no such thing as a normal weekend-- there are so many things going on every weekend and you could really easily slip in and take part in any of them comfortably.</p>
<p>Average course load at Brown is 4 courses per semester. Some students take 5 classes sometimes, 3 is the minimum to be considered a full time student. Each class at Brown is basically the same as 4 credit classes at other schools but we don’t have a credit system. Being able to take five classes is totally dependent on the student and what classes they’re taking.</p>
<p>I’ve never taken five classes in a semester, but I have a friend who has taken 5 all but two semesters here and she often audits a 6th.</p>
<p>Somewhat specific questions sorry…
-The differences between Multivariable Calc Hon/Reg and Linear Algebra Hon/Reg focuses on proofs (i have done a good deal of these)…is this a large jump in difficulty?</p>
<p>-Also I realized that our school only covers 2/3 of the MVC book. Will Brown make me retake the class or is it up to me?</p>
<p>-How easy is it to drop/change classes in the first few weeks? Are most classes full/impossible to switch into?</p>
<p>“- Rumors that Brown is poor? What are the libraries, dining halls, gyms like?”
They all seem fine to me. I’m in love with the libraries – both in terms of having lots of study/“study” (see: basement of SciLi) spaces, and resources. Every journal or research database imaginable is accessible, Brown has lots of books, and if they don’t, it’s really easy to interlibrary loan it. Dining halls are decent. Gyms seem good – I’ve never been to the main gym, but there are a few “satellite gyms,” one of which is attached to my dorm, and appears fairly new.</p>
<p>"-How easy is it to drop/change classes in the first few weeks? Are most classes full/impossible to switch into? "
It’s very easy. In my experience, classes are either uncapped or capped at 20. For the uncapped ones, it’s simply a matter of going online and maybe talking to the prof to find out what you missed. The smaller ones, I think you just talk to the professor and beg. Or if there’s a spot, you switch on in.</p>
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