<p>I’m here to answer questions about my university, and if and when someone asks my honest opinion of what I may think about a particular major, college, etc, then I answer directly. To some that may be more appreciated than sugarcoating it. Your “D” is not in either school? I wasn’t going to make this about your “D.” Yes, these students do well cause they’re under the Ivy League umbrella here. I’m confident no matter what major we have here students “do very well in the real world.” If they had a major for cutting hair here I’m sure students from that would be pre-law, pre-med, or pre-investment banking wannabes. And why don’t they have a major for cutting hair here? That is a “study,” is it not? Does that more or less justify a school’s existence for the purposes of teaching “conflict resolution” for four years? Or working in a hotel? Everybody knocks the hotel school here. See link below:</p>
<p>Unibames: “Secondly, you already know what I think about Interior Design being in HUMEC instead of AAP just by you asking. I think it being in HUMEC is to sidestep the selectivity otherwise associated with getting into AAP.”</p>
<p>Well this is stupid. If you knew anything about the history of Cornell you would know that the reason Interior Design and FSAD are in HumEc rather than AAP is just because of the way the school was originally set up. HumEc was originally the School of Home Economics and focused on educating women at Cornell, since it was one of the first universities in the country to admit women alongside men. It was later changed to fit better into the overall scheme of Cornell, but adheres to the original concept of “bettering the human environment.” The reason Interior Design and Fashion Design are in HumEc isn’t some mastermind plan to “sidestep the selectivity” of AAP…it is just a matter of the way the schools were originally setup. </p>
<p>The reason Human Ecology is “less selective” is not because the classes are easier or the there is less work. There are plenty of extremely easy classes in A&S as well. It is because less people know about the school, there are less majors, and it is thus not attractive to as broad a range of people as A&S, and so not as many people apply to the school. Because less people apply, the proportion of people admitted is higher. </p>
<p>If Interior Design or FSAD was in AAP their admissions rates would be the same. If Architecture was in Human Ecology its admissions rate would be the same. This majors are very specific and their particular admissions rates are not going to change based on the school they are in. Unlike applying to A&S, you can’t apply “undecided” with the intention of going into one of these majors because of the amount of studio classes involved. Thus, admittance to the programs is based on very specific criteria that doesn’t change based on the college the major is in. </p>
<p>I am in FSAD and I’m pretty sure, regardless of what our professors say, that it is not a selective program. I have no idea what the admittance rate is because I don’t think they publicize that by major. However, all my peers are extremely intelligent, chose to come here over other Ivies or Top 20 schools, and over more prestigious fashion design programs. They are all involved in other activities and are really talented musicians/athletes/etc. and have academic interests in other areas. So I’ve always maintained that this program, and I think DEA as well, are primarily self selective. </p>
<p>The only people who would EVER apply to Cornell for Interior Design or Fashion Design have to have gone to extreme lengths to find out about these programs that nobody knows about and are willing to sacrifice the opportunities of living in a city with access to the industry in order to go to a great school because they are smart and have other interests as well. Also, 50% of the people in my program switch out after the first year because of how difficult it is (we went from 20something students freshman year to 9 remaining seniors).</p>
<p>Unibames - the reason I mentioned that my D was not in ILR or Hotel is so that you would not come back and say I was just trying to defend her school. </p>
<p>You do realize that PLENTY is said about transfers and it isn’t positive - no need to “sugarcoat” that point. Also, I am sure you are aware of what some people think of the AEM major, based on all of the research you have done, and again not all positive. Hope you can handle the “honest opinions” that may come your way about your own situation.</p>
<p>My point is this - why are you critiquing the schools/majors at Cornell that you are not in and what makes you an expert after one semester as a transfer student?</p>
<p>alamode: Other more prestigious fashion programs? I don’t believe that for one minute. Parsons vs. Cornell for fashion does not even compare. Parsons and FIT practically set the standard for that. Now you’re just blowing smoke. FSAD is another joke major here at Cornell. Come to Cornell cause they’re smart and have other interests? If you want to do fashion, do fashion, have other interests on your own time. </p>
<p>cormom15: You’re assuming I care whether or not if your daughter was in ILR or not? I wouldn’t be petty and claim you’re just defending her school. I told you why I deemed ILR “futile.” I don’t know or care what is being said about transfers and fail to see the relevance here. I’m doing just fine as a “transfer” and have an internship that many here wanted. Do they not like transfers cause “we” do better than the freshmen or just me? </p>
<p>My point is this - Do I need to be in these schools? I never claimed to being an expert. I read the courses, descriptions, actually researched the colleges and thus had an informed opinion. Someone asked, yourself, why I view it futile, I answered. You wanted to know why I thought a certain way, I answered, it doesn’t get anymore black and white than that. </p>
<p>Anyone with questions about Cornell specifically?</p>
<p>You don’t believe what? That students picked Cornell over Parsons and FIT? Nearly every single person in this program made that choice. Cornell gives us opportunities that those schools do not. I chose Cornell over Parsons, UVA, and Tufts as my other top choices. I had an 800 SAT CR and 730 Math with a 4.2 GPA in HS. I also have won several prestigious design competitions and have had great internships. I was fully qualified for both Parsons and Cornell, and had to make a choice. Everyone in my major made similar choices. Here, I get to learn and be challenged by my schoolwork here, whereas at Parsons/FIT it would be a complete joke. </p>
<p>Please don’t talk about what you don’t know. Try designing and producing a 20 piece collection extracurricularly while balancing a full courseload that includes studio classes (and in my case, this also includes my research for RCPRS and my senior honors thesis), and get back to me.</p>
<p>“Can’t take this thread too seriously. OP only transferred junior year and has only been on campus for a semester.”</p>
<p>x100</p>
<p>I would caution anyone reading this thread looking for logical, well-informed and thoughtfully crafted impressions of Cornell to simply “pass” on much of the OP’s (Unibames) replies. There is a tremendous amount of negativity and narrow-mindedness in his (her?) responses about much of Cornell, stated with startling authority from someone who has been on campus for one semester. </p>
<p>Hopefully the OP will grow and learn to benefit from the excellence and diversity which is a trademark of Cornell, opening himself up to become the person Cornell thinks he can be. He has revealed much about himself (and very little of value about Cornell) through the intolerant tone and judgmental language of his responses; as such, he is one very lucky person to have been admitted as a junior transfer to Cornell at all.</p>
<p>“Can’t take this thread too seriously. OP only transferred junior year and has only been on campus for a semester.”</p>
<p>x1000</p>
<p>Unibames - we are all entitled to our “opinion” but if you are going to represent yourself as a resource for transfer students, and to Cornell students in general, then perhaps they should know your back story - that you transferred in as a 23 year old after taking 2 gap years after high school and then CC. You should be at much higher “maturity” level than you appear to be for someone your age transferring into Cornell. </p>
<p>You ask students to give you specific questions about Cornell and then you answer them based on your opinions (often very negative) - not what may actually be fact. You are not a good representative of Cornell and you need to be called out on this.</p>
<p>Good god this is bullying. I’m sure the OP can take it but he or she just answered a question with his or her opinion. Anyone is free to refute it but I’m sure the questioner appreciates an answer that is not something they could read from the official glossy brochure. That’s the point.</p>
<p>And if “only being on campus for one semester” disqualifies you from knowing anything about your school, then wouldn’t that automatically disqualify all the parents who’ve never been students there themselves?</p>
<p>greenwtich - what is your interest in this? Did you happen to find a poster’s name on here who you would like to bully and decide to join the party? Or do you have any particular insight about Cornell you would like to share?</p>
<p>Anyone is free to give their opinion here, but if people do not agree with the opinion or if it is rude/crude then people are also allow to point it out. </p>
<p>I don’t think telling students to pick up some rich Madison momma to support their life style is giving good advice.</p>
<p>OP clearly has no knowledge of any school outside of AEM, other than what he has read on the course descriptions. Most people tend to give their first hand experience. When it is an opinion, they clearly state it as such. I don’t think it is the case with OP.</p>
With most parents, myself included, would normally say “my kid…” and it would be ONE data point. OP is making very broad stroke statements about the school that he doesn’t have much knowledge yet.</p>
<p>of - you are of course entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine, as the OP is to his. I just hate to see a cc gang bang in progress and all that childish x100, x1000, “his opinion is invalid” stuff was just piling up.</p>
<p>greenwitch - what’s valuable about CC is that people tend to share what they know, unlike other forums where it is open game for people to come on to give their misinformation. It is especially unacceptable when someone is rude, and I say labeling a school as “Joke” is misinformed and rude. If OP doesn’t like to be called out on it then I would suggest for him to gather more information to back up his position or think twice next time before he posts. I think coming to a thread to call some people childish is also not very constructive.</p>
<p>When you have an OP that gives “advice” and opinions to incoming Cornell students about majors/schools without any regard to the validity of what he is saying or who he is clearly offending, other sides can and should be presented. He has only been on campus for a semester. Many parent posters have had multiple kids and relatives go through and graduate from Cornell so they do have some very helpful perspective.</p>
<p>greenwitch - it is commendable that you have come to the defense of the OP, but where are you when he continues to offend several posters that are clearly upset by his comments?</p>
<p>“Bullying” and “a cc gang bang in progress”? Sorry, but I don’t see that at all. The OP has filled this thread with his opinions, which he is entitled to do. Other posters are equally entitled to call him out if/when they feel his opinions are being misrepresented as based on actual fact, data, established knowledge, and direct experience.</p>
<p>Yes, people come here looking for an answer that is not something they could read from the official glossy brochure but when the answers include comments by the OP such as these sampling (below), other posters have the right to respond, object, and clarify.</p>
<p> “ILR: FUTILE” “Do we need a major like this at an Ivy League school?”
“HOTEL: JOKE” “working in a hotel? Everybody knocks the hotel school here.”
“How about a major for lumberjacks? Where do we draw the line?”
“FSAD is another joke major here at Cornell”
“If you want money play poker, pick up some suga momma off madison avenue, try consulting, try accounting. Dont be like every other stiff here gung ho about investment banking”</p>
<p>‘Diversity of study’ is a cornerstone of Cornell and prospective/incoming students are well-advised to understand that about Cornell. It is ironic that the OP takes such apparent pleasure in knocking that very same diversity which has now offered him, as a 23 year old community college transfer, the opportunity to be part of its rich tradition.</p>
<p>I’m fine with people disagreeing with and refuting the OP’s opinion - or anyone else’s for that matter. It’s dismissing the validity of his having an opinion that bothers me. </p>
<p>To me, this started as a bit of a joke when he was asked to describe each school - in ONE WORD. He wasn’t asked to give a thorough and nuanced opinion of each school and to do it in as harmonious a way as possible. It is what it is.</p>
<p>People disagreed with him on several points and give specific reasons why. Fine. He disagreed with them and gave specific reasons why. Fine again. Nobody was particularly harmonious, but that’s OK. </p>
<p>Then the pile up began. Don’t listen to him, he hasn’t been there long enough, he’s too old, he didn’t come as a freshman, he uses rude phrases. Ugh.</p>
<p>A lot of the “valid opinions” expressed by the OP are in direct contradiction to the university’s underlying philosophy. Prospective students interested in those majors/schools that he is continually putting down may be discouraged from applying based on his “opinions” of them after just one semester as a transfer student. His “crude” tone at times really does discredit “validity” to his opinions. The purpose of this forum is to be helpful to prospective and current students in making decisions about college. </p>
<p>Thus, the “pileup” started when the OP was asked to stop putting down specific majors/schools at Cornell in posts before his one word summation and he refused to do so and the questioning of his unbridled opinions began.</p>
<p>when I asked Unibames about schools at Cornell, I was already aware of his/her subjectivity. I asked why s/he thought ILR is futile, s/he gave his reasons. And it helps me understand why he thinks about ILR in that certain way.</p>
<p>And no, I don’t think students who want to transfer to Cornell will be discouraged by this thread because they see someone who thinks negatively about their majors. I am not. I just want to learn about Cornell from an individual for even though the answers can be subjective, I still at least learn something.</p>
<p>@Unibames: ILR and ILR. There’s just something about HUMEC that interests me.</p>