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um… you mean nature?</p>
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<p>It would disprove him as he is described in the Bible/Quran, which is the only god that has been described.</p>
<p>Didn’t you just basically list every religion that’s the least bit known out there? And even some religions I would have never heard of in a million years</p>
<p>CC is the only forum where I post, so I don’t know how to put quotes in boxes.</p>
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<li>“religion does not encourage people to think for themselves”
Is there not a religion that does not encourage people to follow the scripture?</li>
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<p>“Not all religious people supported Prop 8; not all Prop 8 supporters were religious.”
Noooo really?</p>
<p>“That law passed because of more than just religion in general.”
Church of LDS played a vital role in passing Prop 8. Don’t ******** me.</p>
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<li>"Most of the people who judge me take pride in that they “were raised that way” but I thought for myself and chose atheism.</li>
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<p>People who have judged me said that they “were raised that way” and you are not in a position to call this a generalization.</p>
<p>3.
“Deism isn’t the opposite of the God in Christianity.”
A deist God is different from the concept of a personal God. Next time I will think twice before I use “opposite.”</p>
<p>4."(From a distance, I hear “Do you not believe in air just because you can’t see it? Atheist fool!)”</p>
<p>I like to call this a joke.</p>
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“Not everybody uses this argument against Atheism.”
Do I need to explicitly state that not everybody uses this argument? Give me a break.</p>
<p>“And not all terrorists are motivated by religious thought. Often they have been persuaded by people that are just evil and out for their own gain.”
I used terrorists who cited religious faith as an example that the incentive of going to heaven fails in reinforcing morals, not all terrorists. Again I am smart enough to know that not all terrorism is fueled by religion and see no need to state this explicitly.</p>
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<li><p>Actual facts in reliable evidence that there is a God.</p></li>
<li><p>“Is it just me or is this a contradiction?”
I am entitled to an opinion.</p></li>
<li><p>“Most people could choose their school if they complained.”
Or not. This rebuttal is so meaningless.</p></li>
<li><p>Obviously as in the fact that Santa Claus does not exist.</p></li>
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<p>12.“But when anything good happens, it is a miracle from God? Praise the Lord.”
Yes it was a snide remark. I was speaking from the time when I heard from people who defended disasters like the holocaust.</p>
<p>@Nick017: So your say Catholicism isn’t a “more bad than good” religion? </p>
<p>EDIT: perhaps you just forgot to put it then? oh… and Mormonism?</p>
<p>@ stone_cutter: She’s (kind of) a Deist, she doesn’t believe holy texts.</p>
<p>lol, it seems to me deists are just atheists afraid to call themselves atheists or are reluctant to admit that they believe there’s no god…</p>
<p>In response to Nick’s post on the long list of religions whose bad outweighs the good- </p>
<p>Confucianism definitely has more good aspects than bad. It’s the same case with Daoism. Animism is kinda neutral. I’ve never heard of most of the other religions.</p>
<p>Well Deists aren’t exactly atheist cop-outs, we still believe in a God but we just don’t believe in the supernatural. </p>
<p>“Isn’t an agnostic just an atheist without balls?”- my man Stephen Colbert.</p>
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<li>Following scripture =/= not thinking for oneself. </li>
<li>You’re still implying that deism and Christianity are contrary. They’re not.</li>
<li>Jokes are still used to make a point.</li>
<li>Very few terrorists decide to kill people based on their own religious convictions. They’re convinced by others that are using them for another purpose.</li>
<li>I don’t follow.</li>
<li>An opinion based on what, your own experience? An opinion can be a generalization.</li>
<li>I thought you were trying to analogize Santa and God. My mistake.</li>
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<p>Oh, I forgot PETA-ism. That’s the worst because it involves bestiality, animal worship, and overall (I would say gayness if we were back in time a few years.)</p>
<p>Uhoh, I missed mormonism? I don’t know how i managed that.</p>
<p>Especially since Joseph Smith is a prime example of ******baggery convincing people of dumb ■■■ for power and money.</p>
<p>I’m willing to bet the Christians here are in <top 25% </p>
<p>ok just kidding :P</p>
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<p>Kinda ignores the historical role of religion in human civilization.</p>
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A god that’s not supernatural? Well, then you can’t really call it a god…</p>
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What’s wrong with that? The chances of god existing are no more than the chances of santa claus existing.</p>
<p>What I meant about the supernatural was stuff like miracles or Jesus Christ or God interacting with humans</p>
<p>Very few terrorists decide to kill people based on their own religious convictions. </p>
<p>And you understand the mindset of a terrorist… mhmm. When some Islamist /fundamentalist/cultist twat convinces you to blow something up, saying God wills it, and you agree, it becomes your religious conviction, since religion is the tool used here by said twat.</p>
<p>@Nick: Wait… so are you saying that Catholicism isn’t included?
@Bothwings: Haha I love that! I called agnosticism the “safer” atheism but… that’s blunt in a hilarious way :D</p>
<p>agnoscticism is the smarter atheism. you cant prove or disprove anything but i do agree its about 98% god doesnt exist imo</p>
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<p>And that reflects on religion in general how? Some people are evil. They would be evil if they were religious or if they were atheist.</p>
<p>I’m Christian.
If you want to get more specific, I’m actually Mormon.
Let the flaming begin.</p>
<p>Actually, what most people find about me that’s even more odd, is it’s 100% been my choice. My family isn’t Mormon. </p>
<p>I have friends that tease me about it. 
Which I can see in different aspects is fully deserved.</p>
<p>My thought on the matter is I find joy in my beliefs. Even if they weren’t true, I do believe they are, don’t get me wrong, to a certain extent, I’d be fine with it, because I can find hope and solidarity in them when I can’t find it anywhere else. </p>
<p>One of my friends has given me the title of the “Accepting Christian”. I’m kind of a do-what-you-want-you-have-that-choice-I’ll-do-my-best-not-to-judge-although-I’m-not-promising-anything kind of person. lol :)</p>
<p>agnosticism is hedging your bets and being to scared to take a stand.</p>
<p>Catholicism is not overly prevalent in my neck of the woods and the Catholics i know havent educated me overly in their ways. I really only know what I know from classes in European history, and reading some books about it. I would say the bad outweighs the good from looking at the sheer amount of ■■■ the Church did in European history. And the fact that they only admitted Galileo was right and mandated that he indeed wasnt going to hell in… the 1900s? ***? </p>
<p>And… hello, if you are a smart parent you’ll keep your children the hell away… Whenever a catholic priest or minister comes under fire, you know it was because they were with a live boy or dead girl. </p>
<p>But honestly, I don’t know enough about catholicism to pass a judgement - I just lump it into christianity, which is a step above islam, but still bad.</p>