"Audit Blast Penn State on Out of State Students"

Maybe it is in the sense that GT is being more successful than PSU at being a high quality state university at an affordable price for in state students.

The reason the audit took place was because of the Sandusky/Paterno scandal…Son Jay proclaimed Joe was innocent until the truth comes out…oh no…don’t look now…Jay drops suit…Jay is a member of the Board of Trustees…Jay no longer likes the truth

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/06/30/paterno-family-abandons-all-claims-against-ncaa/444793001/

“The Paterno family characterized this case as a ‘search for the truth,’ ” Donald Remy, NCAA chief legal officer, said in a statement. “Its decision today, after years of investigation and discovery, to abandon its lawsuit rather than subject those facts to courtroom examination is telling."

http://www.wtae.com/article/paterno-family-drops-lawsuit-against-ncaa-over-freeh-report/10247914

maybe you are confusing Penn State with U of Penn (which is private, Ivy League like Cornell)

Does PennState and other large Us count recitation sessions as classes when looking at class size? It is hard to believe that Penn State runs courses with less than10 students.

^^^You’ll be surprised how small classes can be, once you’re into your major at a large “comprehensive” university like PSU. Upper level classes in fields like Anthropology, Geography, Art History, Physics, Astronomy, Philosophy, Forest Sciences, History, and on and on…all have small class sizes. Physics 211 may have several hundred students, but a 400 level Physics class will be far smaller.

I took an intermediate level Spanish class with about 5 other students. It sucked – the prof had to call on everyone a lot. :stuck_out_tongue:

Junior/senior level elective courses that are esoteric or require advanced prerequisites are often quite small.

Granted, because small classes are small, the percentage of students enrolled in small classes is much smaller than the percentage of classes that are small.

Students in popular majors who only take the core courses and the most popular electives for their majors (and the most popular courses for general education requirements) may see very few, if any, small classes.

^^^ Class size, is one of the advantages of taking a road (major) less traveled…especially at a large comprehensive public university.

Some examples of PSU UP courses with 10 or fewer students for fall 2017:

Chinese 455
English 468
Hebrew 1, 151, 402
History 485
Kinesiology 488
Latin 403
Linguistics 493
Mining 230
Philosophy 403
Plant 426
Portuguese 3
Soil Science 420
Theatre 410

Some with 20 or fewer:

African American Studies 410, 469
Astronomy 485
Entomology 410
Forestry 475
Math 403H
Nuclear Engineering 408, 441
Physics 411
Political Science 462
Psychology 482
Sociology 423, 428

@ucbalumnus

The above with the exception of a couple of lower-level foreign languages which seem to not be as popular isn’t a surprise considering they’re all upper-level courses which have prereqs which seriously limits who could take the course in question.

One major difference between a smaller private U or LAC environment is how even lower-level courses even in popular majors could have 20 or fewer students.

For instance, my first-year Chinese language course only had 9 people…and it was one of the more popular languages in the college. As for the smallest class I ever took other than some private readings…a 400-level seminar with only one other classmate in one of their heaviest subscribed departments. .

@cobrat: On the other hand, the vast majority of LACs won’t even offer Portuguese and Hebrew.



It’s all about trade-offs.

Two of the three jailed administrators at Penn State are allowed to work while in jail…
http://wnep.com/2017/07/06/judge-grants-work-release-to-former-penn-state-officials/

18 fmr. Penn State brothers back in court Monday…
http://6abc.com/news/18-fmr-penn-state-brothers-back-in-court-monday/2198764/

Former PSU Officials Report to Prison…
http://wnep.com/2017/07/15/former-psu-officials-report-to-prison/

Partial reason for the audit in the first place…

Two Penn State ex-officials begin jail terms in Sandusky case…
https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/07/15/penn-state-officials-jail-jerry-sandusky-scandal

Two Penn State officials imprisoned in Sandusky scandal…
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/07/15/Two-Penn-State-officials-imprisoned-in-Sandusky-scandal/3911500155377/

And the connection to OOS students is???

Connection is all that the audit uncovered…the intent was to make sure PSU was following the regulations set forth by the Sandusky/Paterno scandal, which they were not. These two administrators were in power when that scandal/tragedy came to light. There acts of self preservation resulted in the audit. The audit uncovered the preferences given to oos students. This all before the current administrations issues with fraternities/sororities and secret societies.
As a resident of PA, I will always expect more from this university.

The connection is that if the Sandusky/Paterno scandal had never been uncovered(which led to the audit), we would had never known that OOS students were given preferential treatment…this all before the current Penn State administrations issues with fraternities, sororities and secret societies.

The past administrations act of self preservation is now sending these former administrators to jail. Joe would likely be on his way as well.

As a resident of PA, I will always expect more from my flagship.

Which is why schools do anything to avoid discovery.

A worthwhile step toward ending fraternity hazing, once and for all…
http://lancasteronline.com/opinion/editorials/a-worthwhile-step-toward-ending-fraternity-hazing-once-and-for/article_1ac2a31e-68c9-11e7-a469-3b3382f18dc9.html