<p>i think what they mean is that Harvard and Berkeley each have a longer list of top programs…</p>
<p>More top programs doesn’t equal better, it equals bigger. A PhD from Stanford (or any other top school) compared to one from Berkeley and Harvard will not be in any way worse than the latter.</p>
<p>lol, i will put more stock on what kk said if he is from “any other top school”… :rolleyes:</p>
<p>it’s okay, kk, northwestern is a “decent” school.</p>
<p>Moving on…The fact of matter is not all Ph.D’s are equal. Ph D’s from top “graduate” schools are one who will get those “tenure-track” facuty positions at the top universities. When you look at the individual Ph D programs in THES ranking, you will find Harvard and Berkeley will get lion’s share. (surprise… much more identies than northwestern)</p>
<p>For the THES ranking for individual phd program, go to wikepedia and search for “THES”</p>
<p>“lol, i will put more stock on what kk said if he is from “any other top school”… </p>
<p>it’s okay, kk, northwestern is a “decent” school”</p>
<p>You and your relentless and ridiculous attacks on Northwestern… Please…… :rolleyes:</p>
<p>“Moving on…The fact of matter is not all Ph.D’s are equal. Ph D’s from top “graduate” schools are one who will get those “tenure-track” facuty positions at the top universities. When you look at the individual Ph D programs in THES ranking, you will find Harvard and Berkeley will get lion’s share. (surprise… much more identies than northwestern)</p>
<p>For the THES ranking for individual phd program, go to wikepedia and search for “THES””</p>
<p>Again with the Northwestern basing… What is it with you? </p>
<p>None of the nonsense you have stated makes it any more believable that Harvard and Berkeley are in any way better for PhD studies than any other top schools. You personal attacks are funny however.</p>
<p>o c’mon. what attacks?</p>
<p>Ive said so many times in this board. Northwestern is a fine institute. I also believe personally for future journalist students NW is di place to go (Meddi?)</p>
<p>NW is very very very good for journalism (di best), engineering, & Kellogg</p>
<p>But i also believe Berkeley and Harvard respectively have a stronger PhD programs (overall) than NW.</p>
<p>Slipper, it is not always true that students at top universities get good jobs. My administrative assistant when I worked at Eaton was a recent Yale graduate. She had been looking for a job for an entire year without success. And we aren’t talking about a girl with no connections, social graces or poor academic record. Her parents were pretty affluent, she was very presentable, elegant and well spoken, she majored in Political Science and she graduated with a 3.6 GPA. </p>
<p>Yes, a larger portion of students from top universities land good jobs or get into graduate schools, but it is not a guarantee by any means.</p>
<p>i’ve always wondered what people with political science degrees can do besides grad school. Administrative assistant didn’t come to mind, but that’s cool.</p>
<p>o c’mon. what attacks?</p>
<p>Ive said so many times in this board. Northwestern is a fine institute. I also believe personally for future journalist students NW is di place to go (Meddi?)</p>
<p>NW is very very very good for journalism (di best), engineering, & Kellogg</p>
<p>But i also believe Berkeley and Harvard respectively have a stronger PhD programs (overall) than NW.</p>
<p>Im not talking about just Northwestern. Im talking about all top schools. Tell me, what about Harvard and Berkeley make them better? Will journals and publications refuse a person because hes a Michigan PhD or a Duke PhD or a Chicago PhD? Will a college refuse to hire a person because hes not from Harvard or Berkeley? On what is your Harvard and Berkley touting based? If its based just on that THES crap, then Im not convinced.</p>
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what is this? why are you making up a crap? ive never said those craps. look up my post, this is what i said:</p>
<p>“Ph D’s from top “graduate” schools are one who will get those “tenure-track” facuty positions at the top universities” </p>
<p>what i said is what i meant.</p>
<p>If u dont trust the THES ranking, that is ur problem, not mine. do you have any data that can be trusted then?</p>
<p>if my advice doent not make sense to u, u have my permission to ignore it. but in the future dont go whining about that you didnt get the tenure job because you got a PHD from a such such school.</p>
<p>You have so much to learn</p>
<p>Northwestern Stanford Berkeley</p>
<p>She ended up going to Law School (Vanderbilt or maybe Minnesota, I forget), so she obviously did ok, but the point is, not all students who attend top universities get awesome jobs.</p>
<p>You still have yet to say why Berkeley and Harvard are better than their peer schools at PhD studies. I’m guessing that’s because you have no evidence to that effect. If you are now trying to change what you said from “Berkeley and Harvard are stronger” to “top schools are strongerr”, then so be it.</p>
<p>like i said, you’re entiled to your opinion, but you know it’s your opinion.</p>
<p>Again, according to the THES individual Ph D program ranking,
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<p>The point is that, when hiring faculty, no one cares about the overall strength of the university from which a candidate received the doctoral degree. One cares about the strength of the particular doctoral program. If the field is one in which most people do post docs, then one cares much more about performance as a post doc than the source of the degree. </p>
<p>When hiring an expert in Classics, no one cares about the quality of the particle physics program at the university where the individual got their PhD.</p>
<p>A 3.6 from Yale and no job?</p>
<p>Maybe she’s just bad at working?</p>
<p>Or waiting for a rich husband…hehe</p>
<p>afan - good post.</p>
<p>By extension, one will find quite a large share of Harvard and Berkeley-educated (PhD) professors in their respective college department than other schools. This is a natural phenomenon because Harvard and Berkeley respectively have many strong graduate PhD programs.</p>
<p>In most of any engineering dept, lots of professors came from MIT, Stanford, Caltech, and Berkeley.
In humanities, Harvard and Berkeley.
Social Sciences – H, S, Berkeley, MIT & Chicago (economics)
Hard Sciences – H,S, Berkeley, Princeton, MIT, Caltech
Math – MIT, S, H, Berkeley, Princeton
And so & so forth….</p>
<p>SO if one tallies the number of professors in say top 50 schools, I would bet the number of Harvard and Berkeley graduates would come way ahead than the rest. (say vastly out-numbered other top graduate schools, including NW). I wouldn’t be surprised when they happened to be number 1 & 2.</p>
<p>Q.E.D.</p>
<p>Let’s take some random departments at Northwestern and see what happens:</p>
<p>History:</p>
<p>Yale: 9
Harvard: 8
Michigan: 5
Wisconsin: 3
Princeton: 4
Chicago: 3
Berkeley 2
Pennsylvania: 2
Texas: 2
Columbia: 2</p>
<p>Political Science: </p>
<p>Berkeley: 6
Princeton: 5
Johns Hopkins: 3
Yale: 3
UCSD: 2</p>
<p>Economics:</p>
<p>Northwestern: 7
Chicago: 6
Stanford: 6
Harvard: 5
MIT: 4
Minnesota: 4
Princeton: 4</p>
<p>Sociology:</p>
<p>Berkeley: 7
Chicago: 6
Harvard: 4
Princeton: 3
Stanford: 2
Michigan: 2</p>
<p>Classics:</p>
<p>Princeton: 2
Harvard: 2
Indiana: 2
Stanford: 2</p>
<p>Chemistry:</p>
<p>Caltech: 5
Berkeley: 3
MIT: 3
Harvard: 3
Stanford: 2
Northwestern: 2
Chicago: 2
Columbia: 2</p>
<p>Mathematics:</p>
<p>Harvard: 7
MIT: 4
Berkeley: 3</p>
<p>Biomedical Engineering:</p>
<p>MIT: 4
Northwestern: 4
Illinois: 3
Berkeley 2
Harvard: 2
Wisconsin: 2</p>
<p>Civil Engineering:</p>
<p>Northwestern: 4
Brown: 3
Stanford: 3
Harvard: 2
Berkeley: 2
MIT: 2</p>
<p>Materials Science Engineering: </p>
<p>MIT: 6
Illinois: 4
Northwestern: 3
Berkeley: 2
Carnegie Mellon: 2
Cornell: 2
Cambridge: 2
Minnesota: 2</p>
<p>How about another random school: Rice</p>
<p>History:</p>
<p>Princeton: 3
Harvard: 3
Michigan: 2
Duke: 2
Berkeley: 2</p>
<p>Political Science:</p>
<p>Michigan: 3
Harvard: 2
Wisconsin (Milwaukee):2
Berkeley: 2
Rochester: 2</p>
<p>Economics:</p>
<p>Chicago: 2
Princeton: 2
Caltech
Carnegie Mellon
Rice
Pennsylvania
Northwestern
Harvard
Illinois
Johns Hopkins
Yale
Stanford</p>
<p>Sociology:</p>
<p>Princeton: 2
UNC: 2
Harvard: 2</p>
<p>Classics:</p>
<p>Princeton: 2
Yale: 2
Harvard
Berkeley
Texas</p>
<p>Chemistry:</p>
<p>Berkeley: 5
Chicago: 2
Rice: 2
Penn State
Harvard: 2
Cambridge</p>
<p>Mathematics:</p>
<p>Harvard: 3
Princeton: 2
MIT: 2
Stanford: 2</p>
<p>Civil Engineering:</p>
<p>Illinois: 2
Georgia Tech: 2
Caltech: 2
Michigan: 2
Berkeley
Florida
Michigan
Oklahoma State
Cornell</p>
<p>Materials Science and Mechanical Engineering: </p>
<p>Illinois: 3
Caltech: 3
Berkeley: 2</p>
<p>Computer Science:</p>
<p>Stanford: 3
Rice: 2
MIT: 2
Rochester: 2
Carnegie Mellon: 2</p>