<p>Motherdear- You’re talking about Jewish people I suppose? Well you live in NY, what’d you expect?</p>
<p>I don’t have a problem with religious schools enforcing codes of conduct on their private properties ie a Christian college, a Jewish yeshiva or a Muslim school. I do have an issue with believers’ chastisement of nonbelievers in public areas.</p>
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<p>Nope, I think you missed mine…</p>
<p>You said she had a right to say the things she does.</p>
<p>I said I don’t care, and that I have the right (as did Blink…which was the original “point”) to wish not to associate with these people.</p>
<p>/I/ am saying, additionally, that I feel she is abusing the first amendment by using it to cause families pain and grief by protesting at a funeral. It is wrong. She may be allowed to do it, but I don’t condone it…and this goes beyond what is right and wrong by the constitution, and more that a /good person/ would choose to find a more acceptable way of progressing their political opinion than disrupting grieving families.</p>
<p>Honestly, we’re not three. We know about the first amendment. That doesn’t mean I have to like everybody who’s a citizen in this country and allowed to spew crap because of it. It’s funny that whenever somebody dismisses someone else’s opinion, someone else says “Well, they have a right to say it” as if the person doing the dismissing doesn’t KNOW that…it’s a totally irrelevant thing to say.</p>
<p>PCC may have the right to operate as it does…but nobody cares…the point is people don’t like it, and they have a right to say that, too.</p>
<p>wow…how do I respond to this? I think I will go bang my head against the wall.</p>
<p>from what I read, they get the handbook with all the restrictions once they are on campus…so not much time to go, OH S#)*#, this might not be such a good idea</p>
<p>any kids think it is okay to be told they can’t listen to the news, read the paper, go to a movie, or go on a public beach, who don’t think they have rights to make decisions for themselves. I really wouldn’t have much to say to, I would hope to show them that the world is okay, that it is absurd to wear panty hose in Florida heat, that its okay for people to flrt, that women over 18 shouldn’t need someone elses approval for a date or to even leave campus, that somehow they have been taught they are too dumb to figure out how to manage their own lives without other students spying on them, and that everything they do is watched and monitored…of those people think that is all okay and just dandy, I can’t imagine what that they would want to associate with someone like me who has gay, transvestite, friends, who lets her daughters out in the dark, going to co-ed beachs…remember, i am part of the evil dangerous world, and I shop at places they are forbidden…any place that treats men and women so differently, couldn’t be bothered talking to anyone, because they have been taught I am an evil person, cause I listen to rock and roll and see R rated movies…</p>
<p>just sooo sad</p>
<p>and when you talk about “choice”, choice from ignorance and fear ain’t much of a choice</p>
<p>and don’t forget, they tell the students they are accredited, and they are not…so you can’t transfer those credits…yeah, nice values when you decieve your own students</p>
<p>You can usually find the rules if you roam around their website enough, but I doubt many send them to you before you go or confirm you’re going.</p>
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CGM, doesn’t the fact that we can easily find these restrictions online tell us that it isn’t a surprise? My law school gave us a copy of the honour code when we got there. That doesn’t mean that it was the first time we heard that we could be expelled for cheating; in fact, when we signed our applications, we agreed to abide by the honour code if accepted. It was our job to find that information online before agreeing to enroll. We received that info again when we arrived so that we would all be on the same page. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/[/url]”>http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/</a>
<a href=“http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/dress.html[/url]”>http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/dress.html</a></p>
<p>I still don’t get the venom towards students who choose to live this way. Maybe it’s because no one sees college as the extreme lifestyle that it is - drugs, casual sex, alcohol abuse, a place where a quarter of women are date-raped… it is really extreme. It’s just that we’re so used to it that we don’t see how screwed up it all is. </p>
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As for those who think that Christians kill people as an article of faith… um, wow, you’re so cute! 
You missed the part where the Qua’ran instructs Muslims to kill infidels; where Muhammud was a warlord who personally beheaded 600 to 900 people and engaged in child-rape; where Jesus said, “Turn the other cheek;” and where the 10 Commandments say, “Thou shall not kill.” </p>
<p>If you follow Muhammud’s example and requirements on how to live your life, you are supposed to kill people who don’t share your faith. If you follow the example of Jesus, you are supposed to treat everyone with dignity, as we are all created in God’s image. </p>
<p>Muslim terrorists think that mass-murder of a bunch of Americans is a good thing. Furthermore, the 72 virgins thing doesn’t hurt, either. But that has nothing, according to y’all, on the sexism of… oh heavens! … separating the sexes! It it morally and realistically equivalent to the murders that Bob Jones and Liberty students have done… oh, wait, NO ONE on this thread has been able to point to a SINGLE act of violence committed by a Bob Jones alum or student. </p>
<p>All you’ve presented are factless platitudes about how they must be scared, bigoted, sheltered, or violent. Um, right. Get over yourselves. They just believe in a higher power and believe in living honourable lives. </p>
<p>No one needs to go to college and get puked on by their roommates every night before being date-raped to prove that they are open-minded. </p>
<p>FYI: Liberty University is usually tops in debate. <a href=“http://www.liberty.edu/academics/index.cfm?PID=10753[/url]”>http://www.liberty.edu/academics/index.cfm?PID=10753</a>
Student handbook:
<a href=“http://www.liberty.edu/studentaffairs/index.cfm?PID=1417[/url]”>http://www.liberty.edu/studentaffairs/index.cfm?PID=1417</a></p>
<p>Don’t like it? Don’t go there!</p>
<p>20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man has sex with another man, kill them both.</p>
<p>And there are lots of other examples that Christianity really isn’t an love-all religion. But I don’t think any of the biblical religions are. </p>
<p>I agree about what you said about Islam. Although the Quran does have verses about being peaceful and loving with everyone. Islam comes from the word Al-Salam, which means “peace”.</p>
<p>I find them all hypocritical, honestly. You pick and chose how you choose to live and it’s the tiniest of minorities that really believe that all infidels should be executed.</p>
<p>But yeah, whatever, if the BJU students want to live that way, then it’s their choice, not ours, to make.</p>
<p>Yeah, if the BJU folks wanna live that way, so be it! As long as they don’t think they’re morally superior to the rest of us “infidels.”</p>
<p>PCC they put little on their webiste, a small info packet is sent out in June, but the bulk of the restrictions are given out when you arrive on campus</p>
<p>we get the information because former students (who got sued btw) posted the handbook, because they had no idea it was that bad until they were in the dorms</p>
<p>so sure, we can find it online, but that is only because some rebel students were kind enough to share</p>
<p>sorry if I think that adults should be allowed to decide for themselves where to shop, and to be fine with being told you can’t look at someone an make eye babies, i find that just beyond what I would hope for young people</p>
<p>when they say that girls have to walk separately from boys, it is just pathetic</p>
<p>and for people to say, gee, I can’t decide for myself about anything</p>
<p>and it scares me when a generation of adults is being created who</p>
<p>fear the world
can’t think for themselves
make decisions not based on what have found out for themselves, but what they have been told in a very sheltered way
that reading the news and learning about world events unless it comes from preapproved places</p>
<p>to have people that think it is okay to have their life monitored, judged, controlled, to live in fear, to think that is okay, sorry it disturbs me…when yu reliquish control out of fear, it is not a choice, when you let other people tell you who and how you can look at people, gee it bothers me</p>
<p>remember many of these are home schooled kids who have been taught the world is bad</p>
<p>it bothers me and it bothers me that young bright minds think its okay to be told what to do at all times…yeah, i think that people that allow that to happen to them need some help…there I said it out loud…</p>
<p>to have kids spy and report on each other and get points for doing that, gee, that is healthy</p>
<p>and we aren’t talking about cheating, we are talking about having too long a conversation with the movie ticket taker, no wait, no movies///its looking uo THIS site on a computer so some suck up will tell on you for getting information</p>
<p>I find it oppresive, scary and depressing in this day and age that women feel its okay have to get permission to go off campus to by some shoes</p>
<p>you need to realize, that over 70% who went to school at PCC would not return, but many were “stuck”- transferring meant startin over, so they stuck with it, but to have 70% not recommend the school, to say they wish they had been able to go elsewhere…how many schools can you say that about</p>
<p>“remember many of these are home schooled kids who have been taught the world is bad”</p>
<pre><code> Nice, good one CGM! You are right, all home schooled kids are ignorant, “God fearing” people. Right. The same is true for the homeschooled winners of the national spelling bee and geography bee. Right.
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<p>Haha, CGM wasn’t talking about /all/ homeschooled kids, just a lot of possible students at PCC.</p>
<p>Excuse me, but did he say any of that. No. He didn’t say all home schooled kids are ignorant, he said some of them have been taught the world is bad. Why do you feel the need to put words in peoples’ mouths. Is it because you have no basis for argument otherwise? I think so.</p>
<p>Hows this for Christian extremism? Words of Katherine Harris, Congresswoman and quite possibly to be the Republican nominee for US SENATE!! THIS IS SCARY.
Separation of church and state is “a lie we have been told,” Harris said in the interview, published Thursday, saying separating religion and politics is “wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers.”
Electing non-Christians allows ‘legislating sin’
“If you’re not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin,” Harris said.
Shes ahead in the polls, thanks to her Christian (?) supporters. Nice to know what they think of non-Christians- not worthy to serve in government? Does anyone else think this is reeeeaaaally scary?</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/28/senate.harris.ap/index.html[/url]”>http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/28/senate.harris.ap/index.html</a></p>
<p>I never said all homeschooled kids at ignorant, but that PCC attracts a certain type of student, alot of them homeschooled, that have been taught the world is bad…wow, nice twisting of words…nice try, you should fit right in at PCC</p>
<p>I have read some of their posts, blogs, etc…have you?</p>
<p>Its a very odd place and remember, choice and freedom are not taken away by violence only, it is taken away more often by poor education, fear, giving away your freedom, judgement and allowing others to spy on you and decide what you can do, say, wear, and watch. </p>
<p>Again, for an adult to think it is okay for someone else to tell them that reading the newspaper is wrong, or even this website is wrong, to think that is okay, well that scares me</p>
<p>Sorry but homeschooling is a sin.</p>
<p>Some folks manage to home school their children well…you know, with lots of good outside activity and interaction…but there are an awful lot of the sheltered ultra religious ones out there.</p>
<p>I never said all homeschooled kids at ignorant, but that PCC attracts a certain type of student, alot of them homeschooled, that have been taught the world is bad…wow, nice twisting of words…nice try, you should fit right in at PCC</p>
<p>Your post implied that the general populous of PCC was of sheltered, “Bible freak” homeschoolers. You basically manifested this figure that PCC and BJU are comprised of ignorant homeschoolers who are sheltered. How do you know? Do you have statistical data about this? Perhaps a vast majority of the students at PCC are public schoolers who were trouble makers in school. I dare say you don’t have any proof to back up those claims. Wow, way to REALLY, REALLY make up statements. </p>
<pre><code> Sorry, but that comment somewhat led me to believe that you find the vast majority of homeschoolers to be that way.
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<p>Why should I fit well into PCC? That makes absolutely no sense.</p>
<p>Y’all folks, now. </p>
<p>Not all homeschooled youngsters are taught odd ball BJU worthy things. </p>
<p>I would assume that for every four homeschooled youngsters there is maybe one who is being homeschooled because of BJU worthy things. Know what I am saying?</p>