<p>Final note: the distinction between liberal and conservative is too muddy to define. People who like Democratic economic policies vote for Republicans because they feel they have stronger morals. People will get tired of one party, and they will vote for the other. It’s a pretty neat system, really, since it forces us to the middle of the road and keeps things sane.</p>
<p>So, these currently blue states with all the Ivy leagues might one day be red because the parties switch roles.</p>
<p>Where a school is located has nothing to do with the intelligence of the entire state. Just because Harvard is in Massachussetts, they must be the smartest state?</p>
<p>I’m sure if you look at business school’s, they are overwhelmingly conservative. Even one of the most radical liberal schools-NYU has Stern which is very conservative as I hear. Not to generalize, but people that are happy with where they are tend to go conservative, and people who are unhappy with their current situations tend to vote more liberal.</p>
<p>in regards to the higher SAT scores in blue states, if democrats are running a state government, generally they will be more willing than republicans to spend money on improving the k-12 educational system.</p>
<p>What the heck??!!! College Professors have to hold a Ph.D. and those professors do NOT have their doctorate’s in education! They have their doctorate’s in their specialized field such as music, science, etc. And it takes a crapload of work and effort to get any kind of doctorate’s.</p>
<p>Professors are VERY educated people. Teaching undergrads and grads, or Ph.D students is only a small part of their job. Almost all professors do significant research in their specific field.</p>
<p>Oh, and in my opinion, I think anyone who bashes anyone else who has their Ph.D as “uneducated” obviously is ignorant themselves. Maybe you should go through and complete your Ph.D. You’ll think different then.</p>
<p>One more thing, if there are college professors out there who don’t hold a Ph.D, M.D., J.D., some terminal degree, whatever… it either means that the school they work at is total crap, or they’re not a full professor.</p>
<p>Your critical reading skills, IMO, stink. You WANTED to see something in that and decided that I must have said it. Not the case. An explanation is apparently needed:</p>
<p>EDUCATION Ph.D.s tend to be very, very liberal. Non-education Ph.Ds who work in universities tend to be liberal - hence the (quite mistaken) notion that liberals are more educated. Ph.D.s, JDs, MDs, and MBAs who work outside of universities are not as liberal; in fact (esp. MDs) many are quite conservative. </p>
<p>I never bashed Ph.Ds as uneducated. The only person I would do that to is YOU. As I said, learn critical reading skills sometime. Then come back and you will think differently then.</p>
<p>By the way, I’m an engineer working for her JD. Don’t talk to me about “insanely hard.” Been there, done that.</p>
<p>Well, engineers working on a JD don’t exactly go around bashing others like you have just done. I would think that people of your alleged caliber are more sophisticated.</p>
<p>By the way… education doesn’t end at the doctoral level. After you finish your degree you’ll get a better feel of insanely hard… You have not “been there, done that” until you retire at age 50-65 from a fairly high position.</p>
<p>People going through postdocs (most of them, depending on where they’re completing their postdoc), agree that going through 3-5 years of post-doctoral work is tougher than going through a Ph.D</p>
<p>Just giving one example… I don’t know how it goes with JDs</p>
<p>Dahlin, there are just some things I don’t take lying down.</p>
<p>One of them is to have a kid put words in my mouth and then start running his mouth, absolutely slamming me on something I never said, wrote, thought, or implied. </p>
<p>So what’s going to happen? Someone will revoke my degree? Kick me out of law school? (Shakes head.)</p>
<p>CollegeHIC, I did not say, imply, or even THINK what you claim I said. You then proceeded to bash me in quite a degrading manner. So then I’m supposed to just say, “Oh, that’s wonderful? So sorry - please, distort my words and make me seem like an idiot? Please!” Not in this lifetime. </p>
<p>We both know, at this point, what I wrote - which is absolutely nothing like your twisted interpretation of it. Apology requested.</p>
<p>Your interpretation has little to do with your second language (I’m trilingual, by the way) and everything to do with something you wanted to see in my post and decided to read into it. Critical reading involves seeing what is before you, not what you want to see written there - a certain amount of intellectual, not emotional, analysis.</p>
<p>I don’t see how you can make a correlation between the location of top colleges and how people vote now. These universities were founded in the 1700 and 1800’s, it’s not like a bunch of intellectual liberals founded these schools in their area in the 1970’s.</p>
<p>ariesathena, trial lawyers (with JD’s) are one of the biggest special interest groups that support the Democratic Party. However, I’ll agree with you that people with MBA’s tend to lean right. But it is a pretty basic principle that people with professional degrees- and even college-educated people, for that matter- are more liberal than those without degrees. I think that is the statement with which people are taking issue. however, it is also incredibly stupid to say that democrats as a whole are “smarter”.</p>
<p>Here are some stereotypical trends:</p>
<p>Reliable Democrats: College-educated people, young people, black people, urban-dwelling people, people from the northeast and west coast, people of liberal religious background (Episcopalians, Congregationalists, Unitarians), union workers, women</p>
<p>Reliable Republicans: Fundamentalist Christians/people who attend church more than once a week, people from the south, people from the suburbs, businessmen/businesswomen, people from rural areas, white men (who make up a large percentage of most of the aforementioned groups)</p>
<p>CollegeHIC: You totally misinterpreted ariesathena’s post…it’s as if you ran in the opposite direction during a race. Like you were way off. lol
All she said was:</p>
<p>“the majority of college graduates have voted REPUBLICAN. There is a higher correlation of right-wing & educated for the master’s degree; it flips for Ph.D.s (most are liberal); however, when you remove Ph.D.s in education, the balance, again, is towards Republicans. Liberals have done a wonderful snow job on the country with the “liberal = educated” line - mostly derived from the fact that college professors are, as a whole, insanely left-wing. However, once they are taken out of the group, you see that people who (ahem) hold jobs which require a high amount of education tend to be conservative.”</p>
<p>So let’s break this down sentence by sentence.
the majority of college graduates have voted REPUBLICAN. (This is her thesis…she believes that the majority of people who graduate from college vote republican.)
There is a higher correlation of right-wing & educated for the master’s degree; it flips for Ph.D.s (most are liberal); however, when you remove Ph.D.s in education, the balance, again, is towards Republicans. (here she makes her first point in saying that people with master’s and/or PhD degrees tend to vote more republican with the exception of PhD in academia (not a PhD in education)
Liberals have done a wonderful snow job on the country with the “liberal = educated” line - mostly derived from the fact that college professors are, as a whole, insanely left-wing. (Here she is saying that many people believe the contrary of her point because liberals have tried to attach themselves to the notion that liberals are more educated because PhDs in academia are more liberal…)
However, once they are taken out of the group, you see that people who (ahem) hold jobs which require a high amount of education tend to be conservative. (Here she reiterates her point that once the PhDs in academia are taken out the rest of the people with an education tend to be more conservative - she implies that these people have jobs which require advanced education like an MBA, JD,MD, etc.)</p>
<p>You should do this with every paragraph/post/etc. you read. I can guarantee that your reading comprehension will greatly improve.</p>