<p>After the estrogen fiasco, I’ve developed a healthy skepticism of the drug industry.</p>
<p>Oh I have always had that. ;)</p>
<p>It does remind me however- of my grandma who used to can- but you couldn’t always read the date- when someone would ask if it was safe she would reply " I haven’t killed anyone…yet".</p>
<p>“You’d think that these celebrities, with all of their money and connections, would only use the best of surgeons, but based on many of their results, they don’t always find the best. Or maybe they just have too many procedures and even the best surgeons can’t make it look natural by the fifth time.”</p>
<p>Or it may be that they are insisting that the doctor do a more aggressive procedure than is recommended. Sometimes you have to leave some wrinkles or jowls on the face in order to avoid the Joan Rivers look. If the patient insists on getting rid of all of them, the result is freaky robot face.</p>
<p>Also, there are communities in Southern California and elsewhere where that look has become the norm, so other people want it in order to imitate their fashionable friends.</p>
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<p>I know a man whose mother had several plastic surgeries. He shook his head when describing her, joking “she’s sewn so tight that whenever she sits down, she smiles.” Yikes.</p>
<p>My mom had a face lift when she was in her early 40’s- it probably would have been better if she had taken up yoga- cause it didn’t do much for her carriage. ( or her caboose 
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<p>I am happy I don’t live somewhere, where appearance is so competitive that people do things they would’t do otherwise.</p>
<p>I have had breast reduction surgery- which I did for health reasons- and I admit that I was someone who encouraged the Dr to do more than she did do.
I told the surgeon that I didn’t want to have to even * wear* a bra anymore.
But luckily she left more than that on- as it was, my stomach became much more apparent! I am definitely an apple. ( & to think that once my abdomen was concave).</p>
<p>Before I had the Botox injections- I did lots of research although I was quite surprised to read of women in their 20’s having it done as a " preventative".
When I was in my 20’s, I washed my face with whatever was in the shower and didn’t even start using night cream till I was in my 40s.
I looked decades younger than I was & I actually * wanted* to look older/
But- unfortunately- it isn’t something that you can say " stop- that’s enough!" to.
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<p>I have no plans doing it for the reason that botoxed faces all look so funny even on Hollywood personalities who apparently get the best treatment possible. They loose what I call a normal human face. It becomes a mask. Why they do it? It does not make them looking younger, it make them look horrible. I wish they stop, so that we all can enjoy their talents and beauty, both young and old.</p>
<p>“I’m not going to have plastic surgery, I want to age gracefully like (fill in the blank fab looking 60+ actress).” Well, what you don’t know is she just has a GREAT plastic surgeon. No matter WHAT they say in the interviews.</p>
<p>much depends on bone structure/genetics- but many actors probably have had " work" done.
You don’t have to look like Joan Rivers.
[Mirren</a>, Helen - Make Me Heal](<a href=“http://education.makemeheal.com/index.php/Mirren%2C_Helen]Mirren”>http://education.makemeheal.com/index.php/Mirren%2C_Helen)</p>
<p>I am not averse to a good facial surgery- but what drives me bonkers are breast implants that don’t go with their body.</p>
<p>The article in the OP is interesting, but look at it the other way around: if you cannot feel the negative emotion associated with frowning is that not a good thing?</p>
<p>I understand the reservations over botox/plastic surgery because I experienced every one of them. I got botox for the same reason emeraldkity did, to lessen the crease between the brows that made me look angry when I was not. I felt so refreshed and happy looking at myself in the mirror and not even my husband or my kids could tell that I’d done anything until I told them 3 weeks later. In my case, my whole face was not frozen, I could smile, and move my brows to show a whole range of emotions (even anger) but I could not “knit” my brows. </p>
<p>My doctor does a great job and that is why she is booked solid! It is very important to have the right doctor and I would definitely get a facelift if the time comes when I may benefit from one.</p>
<p>I actually don’t even go to a dr- I am going to a nurse practitioner whose day job is in cancer research , but uses a friends spa on the weekends for this. ( perhaps he has kids in college )</p>
<p>Obviously if I ever was to do anything else, I would have to go to a Dr. but my Dr for my reduction was so good- I would pray that she was still practicing if I decided to spend money on my face instead of a vacation.</p>
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<p>LOL - that’s true. OTOH, it took 15 plus years of hormone replacement therapy before anyone realized it was causing breast cancer in a lot of women. That’s my biggest fear about Botox - not that I’ll drop dead from it the day I get it injected but that 15 years from now they will find out it causes Alzheimers or cancer or something else. It’s the cumulative effect of repeated use that causes me concern.</p>
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<p>Yeah - I see that day coming here, in some of my social circles. It might become the new normal. OTOH, I keep reading about a ‘backlash’ against women in Hollywood who are going overboard with this stuff, so who knows?</p>
<p>Slightly off topic…I do want to take care of my skin as it ages - Botox or not. Has anyone had a chemical peel, microdermabrasion or a laser procedure done? I’ve had IPL done for my rosacea and it works really well. There’s a lot of things out there and I’m not sure the difference. My dermatologist offers aesthestics services so I’m going to ask her next time I’m in but thought I would start doing some research now.</p>
<p>I think Retin-A is the best thing you can do for your skin.</p>
<p>Momlive—if you have a history of rosacea, be very cautious with Retin-A. I do not think dermatologists are currently recommending its usage in your case. </p>
<p>"Many anti-acne products are known to worsen rosacea symptoms. Medical experts strongly urge rosacea sufferers to stop using these products. There are several classes of topical prescription medications that rosacea sufferers should not use because the risks far out way their benefits.</p>
<p>II. Topical Retinoids (Tretinoin)</p>
<p>Topical retinoids such as retinoic acid and Vitamin A derivatives are used for the treatment of acne. Many general dermatologists also use topical retinoids to treat rosacea papules and pustules. There is mounting evidence indicating that topical retinoids such as tretinoin should not be used for treating rosacea papules or pustules because they make the underlying vascular disease worse. In a recent medical review, “Rosacea: Pathophysiology and Treatment”, Dr. Jonathan Wilkin discusses numerous reasons why rosacea patients should not use topical retinoids such as tretinoin: (114)</p>
<pre><code>* He states, “Tretinoin may provoke severe erythema in patients with rosacea.”
He further cautions that with tretinoin therapy, “Flushing reactions will have a more intense redness, and there will be an enhancement of the inflammatory process.”
Dr. Wilkin stresses, “Irritation from the tretinoin may directly exacerbate the underlying inflammatory reaction.”
He also warns, “Tretinoin may cause angiogenesis in the rosacea distribution. The tretinoin-induced erythema may mask the worsening angiogenesis and telangiectasia. I have seen several patients who have bright red faces during treatment with topical tretinoin.”
He ends his discussion on tretinoin by stating, “Since rosacea appears to be in its most fundamental elements a vascular disorder, it would be wise to first do no harm.”
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<p>III. Caution on Other Topical Retinoids and Retinoid-Like Compounds</p>
<p>Due to their irritant qualities, extreme caution must be given to all topical forms of retinoic acid and vitamin A derivatives. Newer formulations have been developed to lessen the potential for irritation; however, these are still too harsh for many rosacea sufferers. Below are a few quotes on the irritant qualities of these newer formulations:</p>
<pre><code>* Retin-A Micro(tretinoin gel, Ortho Pharma-ceutical Corporation): Although this newer gel was designed to be less irritating, Retin-A Micro is still irritating to sensitive skin. The Physicians’ Desk Reference (2000) warns, “The skin of certain individuals may become excessively dry, red, swollen, or blistered,” and that, “A transitory feeling of warmth or slight stinging may be noted on application”. Additionally, it is warned that, “Weather extremes, such as wind or cold, may be irritating to patients being treated with tretinoin”.
Avita (tretinoin gel, DPT Laboratories): The Physicians’ Desk Reference (2000) warns that, “The skin of certain individuals may become excessively red, edematous, blistered, or crusted”, and that, “Application may cause a transient feeling of warmth or slight stinging”. Additionally, it is warned, “Some patients also notice that their skin begins to take on a blush”.
Differin (adapalene gel, Galderma Labor-atories, Inc.): The Physicians’ Desk Reference (2000) warns that during treatment with this retinoid-like gel, “Some adverse effects such as erythema, scaling, dryness, pruritus, and burning will occur in 10-40% of patients”, and that, “Weather extremes, such as wind or cold, may be irritating to patients under treatment with adapalene”. "
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<p>I’ve been using Restylane for about three years, 2x annually. The idea of freezing nerves with Botox sort of creeped me out, plus I like my facial expressions! The “tree branches” (as I call them) from my lips down towards my chin sides I didn’t like, though, and they were getting more pronounced, so I thought I’d give it a shot. (no pun intended…haha)…The MD also injects the lines between my nose and lips. She will not do any lip injections and is very conservative. Looks completely natural or I wouldn’t do it again.</p>
<p>dke- Does it hurt?</p>
<p>I have had a yearly peel for 15 years except for the “cancer years”. Softens wrinkles, gets rid of age spots on the face (use that spf) and generally “refreshes” skin.</p>
<p>As for certain celebs not having work? HA!!! One daughter had a nose job (after breaking her nose twice) at a local private surgery center. Very hush hush, someone famous was in first…there is a private exit for them. My daughter left through the front. So, if you happen to go on Spalding, Charleville or a few other places…uh yes, “I’m going to be natural” includes natural thread. (I am not speaking about anyone already mentioned on this thread btw. I have no direct knowledge of work or no.) One of my former neighbors, a I am so natural actress must have banged up her face REALLY badly. Walking dogs and saw an aide assisting her out of the car, blocking my view of her (who cared?), and getting her into the house.</p>
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<p>No, my dermatologist won’t give me Retin-A. She recommends a gycolic acid lotion for her rosecea patients. </p>
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<p>Is it a certain type of peel? I plan to do some heavy-duty research on this before getting one - just wondering.</p>
<p>[Kate</a> Gosselin’s Botox Injections! Doctors Say… | Gather](<a href=“http://moms.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978326438]Kate”>http://moms.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978326438)</p>
<p>Get a load of Kate Gosselin’s botched botox. What was she thinking?</p>
<p>glycolic acid…dermatologist strength…applied by doctor only</p>
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I have gotten Botox for that reason a few times now. I get it only on my forehead and it works very well. My husband couldn’t see a difference, but he did notice that my headaches were fewer and less severe.</p>