<p>Women in science or interested in Nursing, check out The College of St. Catherine in St. Paul, MN. It is all women but you can take classes at a number of schools that are part of the ACTC (Macalaster, Hamline, Augsburg, St. Thomas) and men can take classes at St. Kate’s.</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure I saw Conn’s CDS on another thread - hopefully someone will remember and get you a link. I think it’s difficult to get any reliable info on avg standardized test scores from schools that don’t require the scores for admission consideration. I’d like to know if the stats include the scores of admitted kids, matriculants, or applicants in general. If a kid doesn’t submit their scores for admission, do they then report them when/if they matriculate? My D goes there, had high scores, so naturally submitted them. But what’s the incentive to report low scores? As more and more schools are taking a second look at the value of standardized testing, these values as reported by USNWR may have less and less meaning or accuracy.</p>
<p>Conn’s visiting day is one of the most well orchestrated presentations I’ve seen. A full day, lots of effort put into it, they really know how to sell the place…and it seems terrific. What started to irk me, though, was when the admissions officer presented their SAT numbers. The crowd moaned when he said “our median SAT last year was 2080.”</p>
<p>Median? Then, I started looking for the CDS and they don’t make it available on the website. Looking at what they post there is even worse, I think. They post the “accepted” students, not the enrolled. And, as you say, you couple that with the fact they are optional and will accept SAT II’s or ACT alone, what they post or represent in presentations is hardly representative of the entering class from year to year.</p>
<p>Moreover, a friend who used to work as an admission officer at Barnard mentioned that TOEFL numbers are somehow substituted for SAT CR/WR number for international students.</p>
<p>I recognize that Conn is trying very hard to bust into the top tier LAC rankings, but I have to wonder about the place when they seem so intent on hyping and manipulating the numbers that suit that effort.</p>
<p>Median? What they heck does that matter? Half the accepted students could be 2081 and 2080 would hold true.</p>
<p>Colorado College</p>
<p>Three CC Alumnae Make Discover’s Top 50 Women in Science</p>
<p>Discover magazine’s November 2002 issue lists the “50 Most Important Women in Science.” Out of those 50 women, three are Colorado College alumnae – Margaret Liu '77, Jane Lubchenco '69, and Marcia McNutt '74. The total of three graduates from CC was topped only by MIT with four. </p>
<p>Phi Beta Kappa selects CC for ‘Deliberation about Things That Matter’</p>
<p>Colorado College is one of 11 colleges and universities nationwide that have been selected to participate in Deliberation about Things That Matter, a series of events sponsored by Phi Beta Kappa for teaching and learning deliberative skills through the discussion of major issues of meaning or value.</p>
<p>Events at the 11 institutions will be funded by a $100,000 grant to the Phi Beta Kappa Society from the Teagle Foundation</p>
<p>Getting a 2080 isnt that hard for the kids applying to selective schools…its about a 1350 or so on Math and CR, and then a 700+ on the writing section, which isnt that hard to do.</p>
<p>Of course, some kids dont test well on standardized tests and some kids are better at writing than others, or better at math than others…etc.</p>
<p>I am no fan of the SAT or ACT. Its blunt instrument. Its also an instrument that selective and elitist schools use, at least as a first cut, whether they admit to it or not.</p>
<p>There is a book out there that is somewhat disturbing…but worth the read. Take it for what you will…its anecdotal stories of “exceptions” in admissions at highly selective schools…the usual suspects and usual reasons: legacy, big donations, athletes, knowing a college professor, children of faculty etc…that get a wink and a nod to get in with LOWER scores. But that is life. And sometimes the schools just jump over highly qualified kids (like asians) to dig deeper into the pool of applicants for social and geographical diversity. The book is: The Price of Admission, by Daniel Golden. He says the only true meritocracy admissions is at CalTech. I dunno. </p>
<p>The point of this thread was for lesser known, or schools not in the top 30 or so on USNWR.</p>
<p>I dont care what your SAT score is really. If you go to a great school that is not on the top 30 list, lets hear about it for the benefit of others.</p>
<p>To aid in getting back on track, I have listed the schools thus far mentioned. I have upgraded the city, state and if a college or university is followed by “CTCL”, that represents the school is listed in Pope’s “Colleges That Change People’s Lives.”</p>
<p>Alberston College (Caldwell, ID)<br>
Albion College (Albion, MI)<br>
Albright College (Reading, PA)<br>
Alma College (Alma, MI)<br>
Alverno College (Milwaukee, WI)<br>
Augustana College (Rock Island, IL)
Austin College (Sherman, TX) CTCL
Bard College (NY, NY)<br>
Belmont Abbey College (Charlotte, NC)<br>
Beloit (Beloit, WI) CTCL
Bentley College (Waltham, MA)<br>
Berea College (Berea, KY)<br>
Bradley University (Peoria, IL)<br>
Brandeis University (Waltham, MA)<br>
BU (Boston, MA)
Butler University (Indianapolis, IN)<br>
Cal State Monterey Bay (Monterey, CA)<br>
Centre College (Danville, KY) CTCL
Chapman University (Orange, CA)
Christopher Newport University (Newport News, VA)<br>
Clark (Worcester, MA) CTCL
Coe College (Cedar Rapids, IA)<br>
College of Santa Fe (NM)<br>
College of the Atlantic (Bar Harbor, ME)<br>
Colorado College (Colorado Springs, CO)
Connecticut College (New London, CT)<br>
Cornell College (Mount Vernon, IA) CTCL
Denison (Granville, OH) CTCL
Drew Univ (Madison, NJ)
Earlham College (Richmond, IN) CTCL
Eastern Illinois University (Charleston, IL)<br>
Eckerd College (St. Petersburg, FL) CTCL
Elon Univ (Elon, NC)<br>
Embry Riddle (Daytona Beach, FL)<br>
Evergreen State College (Olympia, WA) CTCL
Fairleigh Dickinson University (Madison, NJ)<br>
FAU (Boca Raton, FL)<br>
Fontbonne Univ (St. Louis, MO)<br>
Furman Univ. (Greenville, SC)<br>
Georgetown College (Georgetown, KY)
Georgia State University<br>
Gonzaga (Spokane, WA)<br>
Goshen College (Goshen, IN)
Grinnell College (Grinnell, IA)
Grove City College (Grove City, PA)
Guilford College (Greensboro, NC) CTCL
Gustavus Adolphus College (St. Peter, MN)<br>
Hampden Sydney College (Hampden-Sydney, VA)
Hanover College (Hanover, `IN)<br>
Heidelberg College (Tiffin, OH)
Hendrix College (Conway, Ark) CTCL
Hillsdale College (Hillsdale, MI)<br>
Hiram College (Hiram, OH) CTCL
Hobart & William Smith College (Geneva, NY)
Illinois College (Jacksonville, IL)
James Madison University (Harrisonburg, VA)
Kalamazoo College (Kalamazoo, MI) CTCL
Kansas State University (Manhattan, KS)
Keene State College (Keene, NH)
Kenyon College (Gambier, OH)<br>
Kettering Univ of Engineering (Flint, MI)<br>
Knox College (Galesburg, IL) CTCL
Lake Forest (Lake Forest, IL)<br>
Lawrence University (Appleton, WI) CTCL
Linfield College (McMinnifield, OR)
Louisian Tech University (Ruston, LA)<br>
Manhattanville College (Purchase, NY)<br>
Marlboro College (Marlboro, VT) CTCL
Mercer College (Macon, GA.)
Miami U (Oxford, OH)<br>
Millikin University (Decatur, IL)<br>
Millsaps College (Jackson, MS) CTCL
Mitchell College (New London, CT)<br>
Muhlenberg College (Allentown, PA)<br>
NC State University
Nebraska Wesleyan University (Lincoln, NE)<br>
New College of Florida (Sarasota, FL) CTCL
New England College (Henniker, New Hampshire,)<br>
New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology (Socorro, NM)
Northland College (Ashland, WI.)<br>
Oberlin (Oberlin, OH)<br>
Occidental College (LA, CA)
Ohio Northern University (Ada, OH)<br>
Otterbein College (Westerville, OH)
Pepperdine (Malibu, CA)
Prescott College (Prescott, AZ)
Principia College (Elsah, IL)<br>
Randolph College (Lynchburg, VA)<br>
Rensselear Polytechnical Instit. (Troy, NY)
Rhodes Colege (Memphis, TN) CTCL
Ripon College (Ripon, WI)<br>
Roanoke College (Roanoke, VA)<br>
Rollins College (Winter Park, FL)<br>
Santa Clara University (Santa Clara, CA)<br>
Sewanee/The University of the South (TN)<br>
Simmons College (Boston, MA)<br>
SMU (Dallas, TX)<br>
Southeastern Missouri State University (Cape Girardeau, MO)
Southwestern U (Georgetown, TX) CTCL
Spring Arbor Univ (Spring Arbor, MI)<br>
St. Catherin (St. Paul, MN)
St. Lawrence University (Canton, NY)<br>
St. Marys (St. Marys City, MD)<br>
St. Marys College (South Bend, IN)<br>
St. Michael’s College (Colchester, VT)<br>
Stonehill College (Easton MA)<br>
SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry<br>
SUNY Purchase<br>
TCU (Texas Christian U)
Trinity U (San Antonio, TX)
Truman State (Kirksville, MO)<br>
U Cincinnati (Cincinnati, OH)<br>
Univ of Denver (Denver, CO)
Univ of North Dakota (Grand Forks, ND)<br>
University of Cincinnati College of Engineering (Cincinnati, OH)<br>
University of Delaware (Newark, DE)
University of Mary Washington (Fredricksburg, VA)<br>
University of Maryland (College Park, MD)<br>
University of Oregon Clark Honors College (OR)<br>
University of Redlands (Redlands, CA)<br>
University of St. Thomas (St. Paul, MN.)<br>
University of Tulsa (Tulsa, OK)
University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee (Milwaukee, WI)<br>
Ursinus College (Collegeville, PA) CTCL
Walla Wlla CC (Walla Walla, WA)
Warren Wilson College (Asheville, NC)<br>
Washington & Jefferson College (Washington, PA)
Wayne State College (Wayne, NE)
Wells College (Aurora, NY)<br>
Western Washington U (Bellingham, WA)<br>
Westminster College (New Wilmington, PA)<br>
Whitworth (Spokane, WA)<br>
Wichita State (Wichita, KS)
Willamette (Salem, OR)<br>
Wittenberg University (Springfield, OH)
Wooster, College of (Wooster, OH) CTCL
Xavier College (Cincinnati, OH)
Yeshiva U (NY NY)<br>
York College of Pennsylvania.(York, PA)</p>
<p>Same data, different organization:</p>
<p>AR Hendrix College (Conway)
AZ Prescott College (Prescott)
CA Cal State Monterey Bay (Monterey)
CA Chapman University (Orange)
CA Occidental College (LA)
CA Pepperdine (Malibu)
CA Santa Clara University (Santa Clara)
CA University of Redlands (Redlands)
CO Colorado College (Colorado Springs)
CO Univ of Denver (Denver)
CT Connecticut College (New London)
CT Mitchell College (New London)
DE University of Delaware (Newark)
FL Eckerd College (St. Petersburg)
FL Embry Riddle (Daytona Beach)
FL FAU (Boca Raton)
FL New College of Florida (Sarasota)
FL Rollins College (Winter Park)
GA Georgia State University)
GA. Mercer College (Macon)
IA Coe College (Cedar Rapids)
IA Cornell College (Mount Vernon)
IA Grinnell College (Grinnell)
ID Alberston College (Caldwell)
IL Augustana College (Rock Island)
IL Bradley University (Peoria)
IL Eastern Illinois University (Charleston)
IL Illinois College (Jacksonville)
IL Knox College (Galesburg)
IL Lake Forest (Lake Forest)
IL Millikin University (Decatur)
IL Principia College (Elsah)
IN Hanover College (Hanover)
IN Butler University (Indianapolis)
IN Earlham College (Richmond)
IN Goshen College (Goshen)
IN St. Mary’s College (South Bend)
KS Kansas State University (Manhattan)
KS Wichita State (Wichita)
KY Berea College (Berea)
KY Centre College (Danville)
KY Georgetown College (Georgetown)
LA Louisian Tech University (Ruston)
MA Bentley College (Waltham)
MA Brandeis University (Waltham)
MA BU (Boston)
MA Clark (Worcester)
MA Simmons College (Boston)
MA Stonehill College (Easton)
MD St. Mary’s (St. Mary’s City)
MD University of Maryland (College Park)
ME College of the Atlantic (Bar Harbor)
MI Albion College (Albion)
MI Alma College (Alma)
MI Hillsdale College (Hillsdale)
MI Kalamazoo College (Kalamazoo)
MI Kettering Univ of Engineering (Flint)
MI Spring Arbor Univ (Spring Arbor)
MN Gustavus Adolphus College (St. Peter)
MN St. Catherin (St. Paul)
MN. University of St. Thomas (St. Paul)
MO Fontbonne Univ (St. Louis)
MO Southeastern Missouri State University (Cape Girardeau)
MO Truman State (Kirksville)
MS Millsaps College (Jackson)
NC Belmont Abbey College (Charlotte)
NC Elon Univ (Elon)
NC Guilford College (Greensboro)
NC NC State University)
NC Warren Wilson College (Asheville)
ND Univ of North Dakota (Grand Forks)
NE Nebraska Wesleyan University (Lincoln)
NE Wayne State College (Wayne)
NH Keene State College (Keene)
NH New England College (Henniker)
NJ Drew Univ (Madison)
NJ Fairleigh Dickinson University (Madison)
NM College of Santa Fe )
NM New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology (Socorro)
NY Bard College (NY)
NY Hobart & William Smith College (Geneva)
NY Manhattanville College (Purchase)
NY Rensselear Polytechnical Instit. (Troy)
NY St. Lawrence University (Canton)
NY SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry)
NY SUNY Purchase)
NY Wells College (Aurora)
NY Yeshiva U (NY )
OH Denison (Granville)
OH Heidelberg College (Tiffin)
OH Hiram College (Hiram)
OH Kenyon College (Gambier)
OH Miami U (Oxford)
OH Oberlin (Oberlin)
OH Ohio Northern University (Ada)
OH Otterbein College (Westerville)
OH U Cincinnati (Cincinnati)
OH University of Cincinnati College of Engineering (Cincinnati)
OH Wittenberg University (Springfield)
OH Xavier College (Cincinnati)
OH) College of Wooster (Wooster)
OK University of Tulsa (Tulsa)
OR Linfield College (McMinnifield)
OR University of Oregon Clark Honors College )
OR Willamette (Salem)
PA Albright College (Reading)
PA Grove City College (Grove City)
PA Muhlenberg College (Allentown)
PA Ursinus College (Collegeville)
PA Washington & Jefferson College (Washington)
PA Westminster College (New Wilmington)
PA York College of Pennsylvania.(York)
SC Furman Univ. (Greenville)
TN Rhodes Colege (Memphis)
TN Sewanee/The University of the South )
TX Austin College (Sherman)
TX SMU (Dallas)
TX Southwestern U (Georgetown)
TX TCU (Texas Christian U))
TX Trinity U (San Antonio)
VA Christopher Newport University (Newport News)
VA Hampden Sydney College (Hampden-Sydney)
VA James Madison University (Harrisonburg)
VA Randolph College (Lynchburg)
VA Roanoke College (Roanoke)
VA University of Mary Washington (Fredricksburg)
VT Marlboro College (Marlboro)
VT St. Michael’s College (Colchester)
WA Evergreen State College (Olympia)
WA Gonzaga (Spokane)
WA Walla Wlla CC (Walla Walla)
WA Western Washington U (Bellingham)
WA Whitworth (Spokane)
WI Alverno College (Milwaukee)
WI Beloit (Beloit)
WI Lawrence University (Appleton)
WI Ripon College (Ripon)
WI University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee (Milwaukee)
WI Northland College (Ashland)</p>
<p>For the next round of updates, Roanoke College is in Salem, Virginia - not Roanoke.</p>
<p>Fantastic job on these! Thanks so much for this thread. My kids are requesting info as I write this!</p>
<p>One of the most difficult aspects of college selection is getting the number of choices DOWN to a workable number. There have been some previous attempts in this thread to provide links to data sets for these lesser known colleges. Those suggestions seem to have gotten a thumbs down.</p>
<p>Does anyone see the value of simply adding the freshman class size and 25%-50% SAT’s for Accepted and Enrolled? This could be added to the lists assembled by drb and Father of the Boarder.</p>
<p>If someone is looking for a certain size school, this would be helpful. If the student is well below the profile of the middle 50% of those accepted and enrolled in a particular school, that might be helpful to know at a glance.</p>
<p>Super moderator– what is your though?</p>
<p>I thought about doing what was asked by 07DAD, but punted. And here are my reasons, not necessarily in order of priority.</p>
<p>First, it is very time concuming.</p>
<p>Second, another blog regarding CD exists and has been sited in this blog.</p>
<p>Third, most of these schools are not SAT or ACT dependant. What I mean to say is that the schools herein are what Pope describes as “selected” as opposed to “selective.” Translated: most of the schools are not terribly competitive for high scores – that is what makes this blog so much more interesting as this list includes 139 schools – of which only 22 are on Pope’s CTCL list. Many of these are unknown among the unknowns – think about it: Pope has not aroused interest for a vast majority of these schools – therefore many are not receiving nationwide application. In short, many are “local secrets” which many of us are revealing through our admittedly respectively geographically limited knowledge of colleges.</p>
<p>Fourth, the concept herein is not so much numbers but about “fit.” Hence, before you turn your head away from the school thinking your child will not be admitted because of the numbers, look into the curriculum . . . and see if the “fit” exists. If it does, you may discover that the admissions office agrees with you and accept your child even though the numbers are not there – that is part of the magic of these lesser known schools. They are NOT driven by numbers and do not have masses breaking down their doors for a select few spots. They can gamble.</p>
<p>Hence, I do not recommend the numbers. But, if you must get the information – USNWR $14.95 annual on-line service provides it for ALL these schools as does its encyclopedic book.</p>
<p>I know it’s already been said but:</p>
<p>THANK YOU!!! Abasket for asking the question, and Father of the Boarder and drb for posting the info in such a comprehensive and useful way.</p>
<p>This is great. :D!!!</p>
<p>In response to post #230, I am just one of the mods, but my reaction is that Father of the Boarder makes good points in his post #231.</p>
<p>Thank you ALL for your enthusiastic participation on this thread and for maintaining the lists! This thread is a CC TREASURE IMO. Thanks again, abasket, for starting it off.</p>
<p>I would like to add the College of St. Rose, in Albany NY to this list. It’s a wonderful small Catholic college (not at all heavy-handed in terms of religion) that has several truly excellent niche programs – especially graphic design and education.</p>
<p>Tufts is a University that still behaves like a LAC and on the west coast, almost everyone we mention it too, says “huh?” “Where’s that?”. Not much in the way of competitive sports (except the sailing team 
) Definitely in the shadow of the other Boston schools, Tufts is where kids go to “learn how to save the world.” It has a beautiful campus on a hill and you can stand on the steps of the library and look DOWN on Harvard! I love that the President of the university runs daily and takes students, faculty, staff along. They train as a team and are the largest representation from a campus in the Boston Marathon. D is on a first name basis with the president, his wife and mother-in-law!!! That’s a "small school atmosphere. A Capella music is one of the biggest things going there (they have 7 different groups!)and they are well known in that area! Certainly the graduate programs are well known and highly admired, but for undergraduate studies, it is lesser known.</p>
<p>Also want to mention Rose Hulman Institute of Tech in Terre Haute IN. My niece had a choice of MIT, Cal Tech and RH and chose RH. Only about 1500 students and a fabulous engineering program.</p>
<p>Do these schools have to be “your lesser known school” or just a great one that you know of?
If the later, I’d like to nominate University of Portland (don’t worry if you aren’t Catholic, they are pretty laid back about it) . Medium-small school, great financial aid , wonderful downtown a bus ride away, DI athletics in a small school setting.</p>
<p>I am beyond thrilled seeing so many schools I know and respect getting their due. And it’s also neat to see schools I’m less familiar with!</p>
<p>I see know it’s already on the list, but I’ll let this stand anyway–I know some very happy alums of Albion college here in Michigan. It’s got a strong liberal arts history and a nice history. It’s in a small town but the campus is peaceful and spacious. The town of Albion is right on the Amtrak line that runs to Chicago (three trains a day, at least).</p>
<p>My nephew has greatly enjoyed his freshman year at Northwestern College in IA. It’s in the charming little town of Orange City which has a history of Dutch settlement so there are strong Dutch tradition (bakery, tulip festival, the high school marching band marches in wooden shoes…). The college seems very dedicated to making the place a community and offers a lot of activities. Many students from IA, MN, and SD. It is church-affiliated, so there is required chapel (my nephew doesn’t mind).</p>
<p>Father of the Boarder, adding CTCL designation to the list was a great idea and really helpful. I think people who are interested in this thread should read Pope’s book and check out the web site. He’s highlighting lesser known schools just like this thread. Not surprising that about 40 or so schools on the list are mentioned in CTCL.</p>
<p>Hey, drb and FOB - you forgot Depaul (mentioned in Carolyn’s post)!</p>
<p>Great urban school with a really nice campus and some good programs. So far, it’s my D’s favorite in our tour of urban universities.</p>