<p>Maybe I’m mistaken, Jym. There was no quote from the bio dad, no idea of where he stood, but his FB name seemed to be presented as if it meant something significant about him. I’d like to think there was some reason for posting beyond–see??? Honestly, that truly took me aback.</p>
<p>Garland,
In a previous post I posted the $50K settlement he got from the city of Oakland (thats what popped up when I put his name into the search engine). So I saw it as a follow-up to what I’d just previously read. It did strike me as just a little funny, having read the two. I do have a peculiar sense of humor.</p>
<p>ETA:
I also, as I ponder this case, wondered if he had given up parental rights or if he was paying child support, etc. They are all things I thought about as posters here wondered why he hadn’t been seen much. But now I am fearful of even sharing that, as I will now be accused of something else, when all I am doing is wondering, too, why the dad is not more present in this tragic situation. Perhaps its as simple as that he doesnt agree with the mom or her position.</p>
<p>Here we go:</p>
<p>[Terri</a> Schiavo family joins family of Jahi McMath in life support fight - CNN.com](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/01/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/]Terri”>http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/01/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/)</p>
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<p>Jym–Do we know what that’s about (maybe you do–I don’t.) Regardless, this is an adult man who’s done nothing that I know to warrant hints that he needs lectures about what’s a suitable FB name. I truly don’t get why he shouldn’t use the one he does. Lots of people I know use idiosyncratic, odd-sounding ones. I guess I don’t know what you were implying by "on facebook, her father (assuming thats him) calls himself “Milton Millionero McMath”. Maybe the attorney should give him the same lecture about what he puts on facebook that we tell our kids!! "</p>
<p>So, why does he need a lecture from us, or his daughter’s mother’s attorney?</p>
<p>Not trying to be facetious; I obviously don’t get your point.</p>
<p>This issue seems to becoming a mountain being made out of a molehill. I thought I explained it, but apparently not well enough. I give up. Others have conjectured why they think the dad may be in the background. There can be any number of reasons. We simply don’t know. That said, I am truly fascinated by the differing reactions to the very same actions I took in looking up a name and sharing what came up.</p>
<p>Hmmm. It wasn’t the looking up itself; it was the commentary.</p>
<p>But nvm. Not really germaine to the story, is it.</p>
<p>Attorneys routinely “clean-up” clients before high-profile cases. The mom is out from alone on this. We don’t know why. It may mean nothing at all. But there are decisions being made. This is being orchestrated. That’s what happens. A fact.</p>
<p>Jym - I find it all fascinating and am also really intrigued by how some find bad facts off-limits. And, yeah, humor does not go over well. Also watch your tone.</p>
<p>WHAT commentary?? I presented the FACTS. The ONLY “commentary” (which was supposed to be tongue in cheek but I guess it was an epic fail) was about the facebook name, which followed the posts about his $$ settlement. Because as I said, when people are in the public eye, whether they like it or not, and if they are being represented by counsel (or “handlers” or “managers” in other scenarios) they may be advised as to how to present themselves in public. That is all. Please don’t blow this up into something it is not.</p>
<p>*** cross posted with flossy.</p>
<p>Slightly off topic, but the conversation about how to determine death reminds me of what I recently read about the hanging of Black Jack Ketchum, in 1901.
It took the doctor present, five minutes, to pronounce him dead, even though he had been decapitated.
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<p>Well, I got to say I thought the dad’s name was ironically funny. </p>
<p>In regards to the Schiavo family, maybe I am dense but I don’t understand how hospitals have a “vested financial interest in discontinuing life.” I think hospitals want people to get better.</p>
<p>ek- that is funny!</p>
<p>Ek4, perhaps he was checking to make sure his soul wasn’t somehow still trapped in his body?</p>
<p>Onward, Schiavo was not going to get better. They want people who can get better to get better to get better (provided they can pay). They want those who can’t get better not to suck resources from others.</p>
<p>jym - And don’t get exasperated. That’s big trouble.</p>
<p>“Hospitals have a vested interest in discontinuing life…”</p>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p>Ironically, Terri Schiavo’s legal battles had nothing to do with whether or not she could respond to her parents, or whether or not her brain injuries prevented her from having a meaningful quality of life, though that was put forth over and over and over in media reports. The legal battle involved who should have the final say over the right to terminate or continue treatment: the parents or her husband. TS did not leave any written declaration of her feelings about treatment after PVS. So the courts had to determine who was in a better position to know what she would want. Her husband asserted that his wife had told him she would not want to live indefinitely as a brain damaged individual. Her parents insisted that she would want to live regardless of her physical or neurological condition. Ultimately the court ruled that, lacking any written living will, her spouse should have the final say whether or not to continue to accept life support (though she was not on a ventilator) or to cease all treatment. Usually in these circumstances, the next of kin is given the right to cease treatments, and the husband typically trumps parents in these kinds of situations. But like Jahil’s situation, vocal family members, their lawyers, and certain political figures got involved. There were many discussions in popular culture about whether or not a severely brain damaged PSV person was actually “in there,” when in fact that was never the issue. Even people who are of completely sound mind have the right to refuse or cease treatment which is prolonging their lives. They are allowed to refuse treatments even though doing so will result in their deaths. When they cannot make these decisions themselves, their next of kin or designated representatives can make the same kinds of choices, and they do so every day in this country. Every day a husband, a wife, a parent, a representative says “No more. He/she wouldn’t have wanted this.” Only rarely do these decisions attract so much attention and debate.</p>
<p>Okay, sorry. I didn’t get that he was in any way represented by his daughter’s mother’s attorney, or part of the situation. I thought he was outside of the main picture, so commentary on how he represented himself privately seemed weird. You and Flossy have posted that he’s part of the case, so that changes it. </p>
<p>That his moniker had a reference to money and his being part of a lawsuit would be so random to mention if he wasn’t part of the case. But you guys seem to know he is.
My mistake! </p>
<p>Checking out, now.</p>
<p>“Because as I said, when people are in the public eye, whether they like it or not” </p>
<p>This is an excellent point and something I hadn’t considered. Regardless of the why, when one seeks publicity for their cause, they are then public figures. Food for thought.</p>
<p>It’s hard not to get exasperated, flossy. </p>
<p>Interesting from the Terry Schiavo article posted above, that is was shared that she (Jahi) had “other conditions” (specifics not disclosed) that contributed to the decision to do surgery.
The other point was that she was still in ICU, and it sounds like the staff was not as responsive as they could/should have been. Not sure, but it sounds like that may have been part of the issue. That said, again at dinner last night when I discussed this case with our ENT friend, he said that the carotids bleed out profusely and quickly. He said even when this happens on the table, sometimes its so copious that its almost impossible to suction out all the blood to get at, and try to close, the source of the bleed. It happens very fast. Am I relating that correctly, nrdsb4?</p>
<p>This is beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time.
[Family</a> watches online as Iranian woman dies in U.S. - NY Daily News](<a href=“National News - New York Daily News”>Family watches online as Iranian woman dies in U.S. )</p>
<p>romanigypsyeyes- I did know that Schiavo wasn’t going to get better but thanks for explaining the quote. I get it now. And go Spartans!!</p>
<p>^^^Huh. As I said, I hadn’t understood that her natural father had in any way sought to be in the public eye. I didn’t know he was a part of this situation. He wasn’t even mentioned on this thread to a few posts ago. Apparently he’s a participant in the case–at least I’m gleaning that from recent posts. Obviously, in that case, he is a public figure and would need to do PR.</p>
<p>I had just figured him as a grieving father only tangentially connected to the main circus; which is why I questioned the facetious view of his persona.</p>
<p>Again, mea culpa.</p>