<p>What a terribly sad case. Such a shame that this little girl is being carted around from one facility to another. Hopefully, her mother can soon accept the fact that her daughter is dead. It’s a fact no mother would ever want to accept, though, and I have so much sympathy for her. It’s just sad.</p>
<p>The attorney’s real battle here is lifting caps. It’s his ongoing issue. Bigger cash.</p>
<p>Forgive me if this was already discussed. The hospital released the body to the coroner. Did she go to the coroner on a vent? Because if she didn’t, her heart has likely already stopped beating. And if she did go to the coroner on a vent, he just turned around and released the body on a vent to a family? I don’t understand how this happened.</p>
<p>Yes, vent. No, feeding tube. She left in an ambulance headed who knows where. Very strange.</p>
<p>Yes, dkitty21, she was released from the coroner to the family on a vent. I wondered the same thing at first.</p>
<p>I don’t understand exactly how that happened, either. When I worked as a hospital nurse, we had to remove all IVs, tubes, etc. from any deceased patient before taking them downstairs to the morgue. Maybe they were granted some type of special approval.</p>
<p>OMG!! Why would they do this? Vents have to be monitored and maintained. And the patient has to be suctioned. While I’m sure the hospital is relieved that, for them, this circus is over; it’s sad that her heart will stop beating with the family standing around. But maybe that’s what they want, for this to end at home. I guess that’s why the judge said the mother has to take full responsibility once care is transferred. Sad, sad, sad</p>
<p>Yes, very strange for everybody involved. For the coroner, hospital staff, ambulance personnel . A dead person is transported out of a hospital by a hearse or coroner 's vehicle I would assume. When I was present at the death of my mother (in her home in hospice care) and my MIL (in hospice in her memory care unit), it was the funeral home who came for their bodies, certainly not an ambulance. I do think an ambulance may have come initially for my FIL in his home when he had a heart attack and died but he had not yet been pronounced dead .</p>
<p>Jessie Koochin, the Florida/Utah boy who was declared brain dead and released to his parents’ home on a vent, did not “die” at home. An ambulance was called when his heart stopped, and he was taken back to the hospital (I believe the same one). I suspect a similar thing could happen here - if the family truly believes she is not dead, they will fight until the bitter end. So yes, I do not envy the EMTs who come to the house! And what’s all that talk about the hospital “starving” their daughter? Another point to bring up in the lawsuit?</p>
<p>As to dilemmas of future EMTs:</p>
<p>If this girl’s heart stops in spite of the fact that she is being ventilated, it indicates either a problem with the vent or that the child’s body has deteriorated to the point of multi-organ failure. In the case of the latter, nothing any EMT does is going to help. In the case of the former, any arriving EMT would likely be too late to do anything to remedy the situation.</p>
<p>I have no idea where this child has gone, but it’s not likely to the New Beginnings facility. That may have been a smokescreen to divert attention from where they were actually going. If she is not at NB, they may have found a facility with a philosophy mirroring that of the family and Dr. Byrne willing to take her on. Perhaps they have gone to New Jersey, which I believe allows family members to negate (for all practial purposes) a brain dead diagnosis for religious reasons.</p>
<p>I doubt they took her home, as their address is already known.</p>
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<p>NBC news is saying she is in a “facility” and was transported via private ambulance with a critical care team.</p>
<p>I would have a hard time keeping my professional “temper” with these people if they showed up again at the hospital. Which is why I guess I’m in neither medicine nor PR. </p>
<p>Really dumb question here. Isn’t the ventilator the hospital’s property? And isn’t there equipment that has to be maintained? For other hospital equipment, some of it is leased and the company that owns the equipment comes around every X number of months and checks it, maintains it, replaces worn-out parts, etc. Did they just take this ventilator from the hospital? Who will do the maintenance of the equipment?</p>
<p>“This whole situation is heartbreaking for all involved. I do so wish the media would take a giant step back but we sure know that won’t happen.”</p>
<p>Maybe there is some misunderstanding here, but the family summoned the media to the hospital on Dec 15th. The family attorney is telling his side of the story in editorials while tweeting headlines and news leaks to the press from inside closed hearings. The grieving mom is “greeting well-wishers” at fundraising events. And that uncle is well on his way to becoming a talking head himself. This is highly unusual to say the least.</p>
<p>Wow, a critical care team for someone already pronounced dead. That is a new one and I do wonder who is paying for this. Such a waste of resources in my opinion.</p>
<p>Pizzagirl - usually when a patient that is vented is transferred, the transport company provides another ventilator, and the tubes are switched to the transport company’s ventilator; it can happen very quickly.</p>
<p>I guess this is ghoulish, but what is still working for itself in Jahi’s body? I guess that with mechanical ventilation, her heart is beating on its own. But what about circadian rhythm? If they do insert a feeding tube, is her digestive system still working? All her hormones are completely out of whack now, right? Will she have menses? The body is vulnerable to infection, but can it fight it off at all? It won’t have a fever, will it?</p>
<p>The other forum I mentioned over the weekend has a ton of information on it, and the thread there moves at lightening speed (they are on thread #5 now). This link was just posted and I dont know whether to be ill, maddened or both. A quote from the attorney
Of COURSE she isnt going to “make it”. She died weeks ago. Her brain has now (cover your eyes/ears if you are sensitive) liquefied, and other problems will ensue. The atty seems to be trying to lay the foundation that they did not provide proper care to Jahi and that this will be the reason she doesnt make it. Good grief. And apparently the uncle is tweeting comments about $$$$$$$$$$ [Jahi</a> McMath: Brain-dead girl moved to undisclosed care facility - Inside Bay Area](<a href=“http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_24853880/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-girl-moved-undisclosed-care]Jahi”>http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_24853880/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-girl-moved-undisclosed-care)</p>
<p>I takes awhile to get that this story is a whole lot more than a family tragedy.</p>
<p>The attorney has long been arguing for a raise to California’s $250,000 cap. I can see his point; this cap was put in place in 1976 and not indexed to inflation. According to his article linked below, the cost of legal services have increased 607% since that date.</p>
<p>A survey found that 76.8 percent of lawyers rejected 90% of all malpractice cases screened. Primary reason for rejection was insufficient damages from the trial to pay the costs of bringing suit. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.plaintiffmagazine.com/Plaintiff-Aug13-issue.pdf[/url]”>http://www.plaintiffmagazine.com/Plaintiff-Aug13-issue.pdf</a></p>
<p>To the extent that the cap prevents frivolous malpractice suits being brought, I believe it’s a good thing. But at this point it seems a strong disincentive for experienced attorneys to bring suit.</p>
<p>Sorry,the lawyer is an idiot and the kind that does no favors to his profession in the way he presents himself. He is clearly looking for money (even though he initially said he was pro bono he has already I think petitioned to have the hospital pay his fees?). He is clearly laying the groundwork to milk as much money for himself and the family out of this tragic situation as he can. It really is getting disgusting.</p>