<p>Is there a point where this becomes a potential health risk to the people taking care of her?</p>
<p>acollegestudent: That is my point in posting the laws I could find. They are very vague.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I do think it is applicable to this familys situation since they are
dealing with a dead body.</p>
<p>“ordinary family sensibilities” One can’t get much more vague than that.</p>
<p>Where does the clause giving the mother “full responsibility” enter into this? The coroner gave her a body. They hauled it off and haven’t been seen since. Am I missing something?</p>
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<p>Is this belief in the importance of laying to rest a dead child based on your religious beliefs?</p>
<p>No precedent has been set for anything by this situation. Dolan saying that doesn’t make it so. I doubt he will aggressively pursue civil rights claims, and even if he does, there is no guarantee he will get anywhere with them in federal court. </p>
<p>I am creeped out by families who embalm bodies, dress them up, put makeup on them and put them on display. It is a common thing in my extended family and I have gone to great lengths not to get close enough to open caskets to see the bodies. My grandparents and several aunts were put on display in their homes. My mom briefly mentioned bringing my dad home for a viewing. She said he would want to be home. I think the look on my face quickly convinced her otherwise.</p>
<p>zoos, having read the hospital’s submission of Dec. 20, which details the FIVE doctors, three unaffiliated with the hospital, who had already declared that poor child dead, do you still think the court was right to order a sixth evaluation? To my mind, that was an act of judicial mercy gone wrong. </p>
<p>If the court had said, Enough is enough, the ventilator gets turned off tomorrow at 3 pm, then we might have been able to avoid this tragic circus. To be sure, the family had a right to have an unaffiliated doctor examine her, but they had already had three unaffiliated doctors examine her.</p>
<h1>1645 ^yeah - my extended family, too. Funerals are for the survivors. I go along for now, but have made very different arrangements so my children don’t have to go through all that when I’m gone.</h1>
<p>A few years back a close friend died unexpectedly. His wife asked me to help her with some very simple, non religious arrangements since neither of them were believers. He was from a Jewish family though non-practicing for generations. (I apologize if I am expressing that incorrectly) He had very observant friends who were horrified that his burial not be handled correctly and it meant so very much to them that they were allowed to take over arrangements.</p>
<p>The first evening he was gone, someone asked if anyone knew his wishes. I told what I had heard him say repeatedly should be done with his body at death. Those asking were horrified and didn’t ask me another question for days. I think our friend was serious, but I don’t know for sure. He should have written it down.</p>
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No. Public health. We can’t have bodies rotting. There have to be some standards of civilization and decency. </p>
<p>My personal beliefs are (a) dead is dead and that’s all there is; and (b) shove me in the ground in a cheap casket (or better yet cremate me and find a nice shelf in a facility somewhere with a marble plaque. After death rituals are something of a thing for me because I’m a protestant on the plain spectrum and my husband’s family is off-the-boat Italian Catholic. Huge difference of opinion there. When my MIL died, she wanted so much elaborate and expensive STUFF that she caused very significant hardship to our family and my husband’s sister’s family.</p>
<p>As to Angela Clemente, in this filing from December 30, she submitted an affidavit in which she declares she has found facilities and personnel to care for Jahi. She specifically names Dr. David Hammons, MD, “a retired emergency medicine specialist, previously board certified. He has more than 20 years experience on his hospital’s ethics committee and took the Catholic Bioethics Center’s one year certification course in Catholic Bioethics.He taught for 9 years on the faculty of Kaiser-Stanford University emergency medicine residency program.”</p>
<p>She goes on to say that New Beginnings and “one other New York facility” had offered their services. </p>
<p>I have questions about this:</p>
<p>1)Why hasn’t the media picked this up and focused on this Dr. Hammons?</p>
<p>2)New Beginnings is not a licensed facility. How could they take this patient if they are asserting to provide care with regard to helping her to “recover” without the NYDOH not getting involved?</p>
<p>3)How can a retired California doctor (license remains current through 3/2014) practice medicine in New York?</p>
<p>4)Who is this Angela Clemente?</p>
<p><a href=“http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/JahiDeclaration.pdf[/url]”>http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/JahiDeclaration.pdf</a></p>
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There actually is a rule in California that requires a completely independent exam if requested. Frankly, most people don’t want it, but if someone does, then I believe it has to be granted. I’m not sure why the hospital went as far as it did and I’m also not understanding why they settled. I still think yesterday the court would have ruled in their favor.</p>
<p>Has it been confirmed that the family gave Jahi a cheeseburger to munch on immediately following the surgery? Is it just a rumor? Swallowing bites of cheeseburger and hunks of popsicle ice could have been the beginning of this whole fiasco. If followed by aggressive suctioning too close to the surgical site by the family (a response to panic), it’s not surprising that massive bleeding followed. I am very curious to know the hospital staff’s complete account of the surgery and post-surgery. </p>
<p>I don’t believe for a second that the family’s response is because of some sort of religious belief. I feel that they honestly believe this is their way to pay back the hospital for “killing” their daughter. Put the hospital through hell because of what they did to their daughter. The idea that their daughter simply died from complications will never be accepted by the family.</p>
<p>However the death happened, what happened after the death seems a little calculated. just sayin’</p>
<p>Accepting the propriety of the state court’s initial order, I still have no heard a satisfactory justification for the one week extension. I can imagine one day, to give the parents an opportunity to apply for relief from the federal courts if they so chose. But one week?</p>
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The family claimed that the first two doctors from outside CHO to examine her were not really independent since they had admitting privileges at the hospital.</p>
<p>Decomposing bodies are not a health risk. The possible exception is if the death was caused by an infectious disease.</p>
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They had already applied to the federal court. That’s the rub. It was already in progress.</p>
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Aren’t there bacteria issues? (I mean, I have no idea whatsoever because I have never heard of such a situation in my entire life.)</p>
<p>Wow–my reading of the California statute basically makes you bury a body in California in a licensed cemetery.</p>
<p>Texas appears to allow you to bury the body anywhere the local ordinances do not prohibit. Drive around Texas and you will see private family plots usually on rural acreage. There are still some private plots in the Dallas metro area that were “legal” at the time and then the city grew and annexed these areas.</p>
<p>If you want to further science, you can give a love one’s body (or your own) to one of the 4 body farms at US universities. They do not bury them but instead use them for research on body decomposition. This would seem to be the “green” way to go. Dust to dust and so on.</p>
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<p>As of now, it’s just rumor. If this really did happen, it would be part of the medical record, which we know we will never see unless it comes out in court.</p>
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<p>Evidently the bacteria produced are quite harmless. I looked into it because there was a question of embalming that came up in a family member’s death.</p>