Brain-dead girl; family won't let go

[kelsmom]

<p>Wizard of Oz (just so you know someone got it!).</p>

[actingmt]

<p>Nothing surprised me until they left the hospital with a deceased body and now claim it’s recovering. That’s surprising.</p>

<p>I sincerely hope someone gets to the bottom of this sometime soon.</p>

[Angrybob1011]

<p>The terrifying thing is, that poor girl will decompose right in front of her family’s eyes. More than likely, she’s already starting to decompose. How could the mother do that to to her other children and to herself?</p>

[Sue22]

<p>Yeah, I feel for the poor 8 year old sister.</p>

[Limewine]

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I think that the smell would be the main reason for the police to show up. The desecration laws seem to deal mostly with mutilation, digging up bodies, etc. If it is okay to dress up a body and keep it for a day or two prior to burial, why isn’t it okay to keep them indefinitely?

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<p>Looks like smell was not an issue for this German doctor that had a “crush” on a female patient.</p>

<p><a href=“http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyH26ESrioI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZyH26ESrioI[/url]”>http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyH26ESrioI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZyH26ESrioI&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[jym626]

<p>Thank you, Momof3 and Romani. I think its too easy to focus on all the bad press since we are able to hear only one side of the Jahi story. I thought PG’s post 1613 was poignant, if the characterization is correct, about the way the hospital tried to meed the needs of this family and their large presence in the hospital early on

One of the comments in one of the articles (and who knows their veracity) suggests that a man who was in PICU with his son that day observed the family - there were 15 of them there, clearly excessive, making a lot of commotion, and that the nurses were preoccupied with getting the other family members out so as not to disrupt other patients. It’s also alleged the grandmother suctioned in the throat, that Jahi was talking (which is a no no) and that the family was feeding her bites of a cheeseburger. I have no way of knowing if these things are true, of course.

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[dodgersmom]

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that poor girl will decompose right in front of her family’s eyes.

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<p>I could be mistaken, but I get the sense from everything that’s been posted (including older sister’s tweets) that the siblings are not with mom and Jahi (wherever they are). The language used in the tweets suggests that mom is reporting on Jahi’s condition to the others, who aren’t present.</p>

[Pizzagirl]

<p>The older sister’s twitter account is a train wreck - every possible negative stereotype one could think of, come to life. For bonus points, liberal use of the “n” word to describe amorous interests. (That’s as nice as I can put it.)</p>

[Flossy]

<p>The uncle has just told the press they “are not allowed” to ask one more question about money. Finances he says are not an issue. </p>

<p>In other words, media attention is beginning to shift from sympathy to mystery. This is typical.</p>

[actingmt]

<p>[Jahi</a> McMath: Girl given breathing, feeding tubes, attorney says - San Jose Mercury News](<a href=“Jahi McMath: Girl given breathing, feeding tubes, attorney says – The Mercury News”>Jahi McMath: Girl given breathing, feeding tubes, attorney says – The Mercury News)</p>

[rrah]

<p>I’ve not previously commented on this thread, but I’ve followed along. The posting of article links has been especially helpful. </p>

<p>Since this entire situation seems to be something out of a fiction novel or movie my mind has gone to some fictional possibilities as to the location of Jahi and who is attending to her body. </p>

<p>One bit of fiction I’ve considered is that some anonymous, wealthy person or group has stepped in and set up a place for Jahi’s care in a private location. I think I’ve seen such a thing in some TV show or movie. Thinking of a Howard Hughs type person. I cannot fathom any licensed facility taking her. </p>

<p>The uncle’s comment about no money questions indicates to me that money is not an issue for some reason unknown to all of us. A wealthy benefactor would certainly explain this. </p>

<p>I’m also wondering if they have “imported” medical personnel from another country or if a retired doctor has stepped in at this time. I don’t know the legalities of all of those ideas. A retired doctor may not care about the legalities or ethics of the situation. Doctors and nurses from elsewhere may not care. I really cannot fathom any legitimate doctor ignoring all of the obvious, scientific signs of death and decomposition. </p>

<p>I’m also wondering if it’s possible they have taken her to Mexico. I know it’s far from Oakland, but one hears of people going to Mexico for treatments that cannot be done in the US. The question arises though: does a dead person need a passport? Does her mother have a passport? Under what circumstances could she be taken to Mexico? </p>

<p>I am wondering about her father. I know he was in a photo earlier. He’s been unseen since then. I suspect Jahi’s mother has primary custody of her and the legal right to make all decisions for her. That said, does he agree with the actions of the mother? What is the reason for his silence? Is he wisely trying to stay out of the spotlight? I would think that if this was my child, and I disagreed with the other parent’s handling of medical matters I would do all I could to get legal control of the child and medical decision making. I would probably be running my own media campaign to oppose these horrific actions. </p>

<p>Just some speculative thoughts I’ve entertained given the bizarre nature of this entire situation.</p>

[Nrdsb4]

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I’m also wondering if they have “imported” medical personnel from another country or if a retired doctor has stepped in at this time. I don’t know the legalities of all of those ideas. A retired doctor may not care about the legalities or ethics of the situation. Doctors and nurses from elsewhere may not care. I really cannot fathom any legitimate doctor ignoring all of the obvious, scientific signs of death and decomposition.

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<p>From my post #1649, in a brief filed by Dolan, there is an affidavit by Angela Clemente in which she states that a retired doctor has agreed to take over care of Jahi. His license is still valid even though he is retired. </p>

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As to Angela Clemente, in this filing from December 30, she submitted an affidavit in which she declares she has found facilities and personnel to care for Jahi. She specifically names Dr. David Hammons, MD, “a retired emergency medicine specialist, previously board certified. He has more than 20 years experience on his hospital’s ethics committee and took the Catholic Bioethics Center’s one year certification course in Catholic Bioethics.He taught for 9 years on the faculty of Kaiser-Stanford University emergency medicine residency program.”

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<p>Note that the grandmother allegedly was employed by a Kaiser facility.</p>

[Iglooo]

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Quote:
The bodies that are released to relatives for open casket funerals (ugh!) have been treated to make sure they do not present a public health hazard.
No they aren’t. There is no public health hazard presented by dead bodies. Embalming is rarely required and is an unnecessary expense.

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<p>How about all the flies and insects the rotting corpse attracts? Are they not Health hazards? And the odor? If not health hazard, it is a nuisance in extreme. I would certainly hope it is illegal to keep bodies in a residential neighborhood unless buried deep in the ground.</p>

[sevmom]

<p>“I would certainly hope it is illegal to keep dead bodies in a residential house.”</p>

<p>Yeah, there goes the neighborhood.</p>

[Pizzagirl]

<p>You missed our discussions upthread about propping Uncle Bernie up at the kitchen table.</p>

[Pizzagirl]

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A retired doctor may not care about the legalities or ethics of the situation.

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<p>Can a retired doctor write prescriptions? Does a DEA number need to be active?</p>

<p>Oops - answered my own question. Per the licensing board of CA, a retired doctor may not write prescriptions or practice medicine in the state of CA.</p>

[Nrdsb4]

<p>This whole thing is really just beyond belief.</p>

[dodgersmom]

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I would certainly hope it is illegal to keep dead bodies in a residential house.

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<p>Well, people certainly did this once upon a time. When the ground is frozen, there aren’t a lot of alternatives. (Although, obviously, the body would be kept somewhere that it would also be cold, if not frozen.)</p>

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Per the licensing board of CA, a retired doctor may not write prescriptions or practice medicine in the state of CA.

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<p>This would not be applicable if, as suggested above, his or her license remains active.</p>

[blueiguana]

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The uncle has just told the press they “are not allowed” to ask one more question about money. Finances he says are not an issue.

Well that settles that. I’m glad he straightened that out and put the kabash on the press. They can be so invasive and unrelenting until you are very firm will them, set clear boundaries, and tell them what they are not allowed to ask (or ask pretty please with a cherry on top). ;)</p>

[Onward]

<p>Well if finances are not an issue, he should quit fund raising.</p>