"Brilliant"

<p>Brilliant is for the parents that think “gifted” isn’t good enough :D.</p>

<p>Seriously, true brilliance is rare. Looking at classmates of our kids over the past many years I can say that there has been ONE student that even comes close to brilliant. He had 5 on 27 AP tests before he finished middle school, perfect ACT and SAT, was taking graduate level math classes freshman year in high school, etc., etc. Couldn’t hold a conversation with the kid though.</p>

<p>There are other kids that are REALLY smart but I wouldn’t even call them gifted. Gifted is a unique way of looking at things and these kids, while really good students, are not gifted. Truly gifted kids are rare too but most schools define that as the to 10% of the kids or whatever.</p>

<p>Then, above brilliant would be “perfect”–got THAT one thrown out at a family Christmas this year.</p>

<p>Agree that the British usage of the term is charming- more akin to “wonderful”, or “great” or “teriffic” as opposed to intellectually off the scales smart, as we tend to think. I find the British phrasiology charming. The American use, as relates to what comes across as a bit braggadicio, not so much.</p>

<p>"My D had some brilliant classmates. There was the boy who could find the square root of 3 digit numbers in his head, without using paper or pencil, when he was in kindergarten. That’s brilliant to me. "</p>

<p>Very cool…</p>

<p>I know somebody like that too.</p>

<p>I think the kid is brilliant.</p>

<p>The first graders were asked to write names for 14. The kids were writing 10 + 4, 8 + 6, etc. One little guy wrote ‘the square root of 81 plus the square root of 25’. Probably gifted…</p>

<p>I wouldn’t refer to any of my children as brilliant for no other reason than I think being labeled as such comes with too much of a burden for an individual (especially a young, developing one) to bear. </p>

<p>Our oldest son has been referred to as lots of things like that by friends and family, and we’ve always completely downplayed it because we just think it’s too much pressure to live up to even if on the surface it seems like just a nice compliment.</p>

<p>P.S. We don’t think he’s brilliant, but rather “very bright”.</p>

<p>Brilliance is the quality that we ourselves are lacking.</p>

<p>In a class with a lot of very poor to mediocre students, that extremely rare top 1%er or even top 5%er will really stand out–and may shine as “brilliant”–among many average to below-average peers.
On CC, these kids are not-so-hot. . .NMF’s just a dime-a-dozen and all that. . .
I don’t think it is good manners for parents to brag about their “brilliant” kid. Better to say, “He’s an excellent student,” or “She does very well academically.”</p>

<p>The doc I saw at National Jewish is brilliant–he was able to read and synthesize 1 inch thick medical records of a new patient he has never met in 15-30 minutes, then meet the patient, conduct a thorough but concise physical exam, ask relevant questions and then do more in the rest of the 1-hour appointment than had been done by a slew of physicians in the 6 months prior. He’s also an amazingly nice person and has a black belt in karate, runs two labs at NJewish, and chairs the Department of Medicine, as well as sees some patients.</p>

<p>The president of my board of directors is brilliant. He has written numerous textbooks in math and science and is able to converse intelligently and deeply on a huge array of topics. He created the math and science curricula for many nations and school systems and districts.</p>

<p>My kids are precociously bright–time will tell if they are brilliant. S was able to create a program overnight for a doc who had been struggling with the for decades.</p>

<p>Brilliant is clearly used more in the UK than in the US. To me, I have never used it for kids.</p>

<p>I’ve always liked sharp. Even very sharp. By high school I stuck to “he tests well.” Brilliant, never.</p>

<p>I’m a bridge player, and think that the elite players are brilliant. They certainly do brilliant things at the table. In the rest of their lives?..not so much.</p>

<p>I have known several brilliant people in my life </p>

<p>My cousin (who was my mother’s age) who worked on the Manhattan Project, helped develop laser technology, and died with over 450 patents to his name on everything from a bicycle derailleur to high tech optics equipment and he never graduated from high school.</p>

<p>My Godfather who worked for NASA – he worked on the moonshots, rode a unicycle while smoking a pipe, had his Phd in Philosophy and was blind.</p>

<p>Long time scoring leader in the NBA. Gold medal winner. Magic to watch on the court.</p>

<p>A sculptor who had also served as a spy in the Ukrainian army. And could smoke cigarettes with the lit end his mouth.</p>

<p>I think some people are brilliant in some aspects, but complete ding-bats in others.</p>

<p>I’ve long noticed that the most overused and under-deserved adjective on CC is “amazing” - as in amazing school, amazing stats, amazing ECs, amazing essays, etc.</p>

<p>Maybe brilliant is the new amazing.</p>

<p>A couple of weeks ago my son played in a concert for young musicians of some accomplishment. They all have the lessons, the equipment, the camps, etc. there was one boyn whom my son had mentioned to me, but well let me tell you. The audience couldn’t take it’s eyes off him. So much showmanship to go with the stellar musicianship. All the kids were good, he was a whole other species. I have never seen or heard anything like that in my life. I heard he has been playing professionally with name ensembles since he was 15 and will attend the Manhattan School of Music in the fall. I have no frame of reference for brilliance, but this boy, to whom I did not give birth, may have had it.</p>

<p>I’ve always thought of my kids as bright but I can’t say they are brilliant. Neither am I.</p>

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<p>You have described my Dh perfectly. ;)</p>

<p>As a first grade math teacher many moons ago, I was lucky enough to have a student in my class with amazing mathematical gifts. I had never seen a child so precocious. His father was a famous, shall I say, “brilliant,” scientist at Princeton, so his talents didn’t seem that amazing to his family.
One day he made a comment in class that the other students recognized as completely beyond what any of them could have come up with, and one student commented that Peter (not his real name) “…knows everything! He’s a genius!”<br>
Peter quietly answered, “No, I’m not really. Math is just easier for me than for some people. But everybody has things they’re good at. Math is that for me.”<br>
That’s when I suspected that this six-year old was truly brilliant.</p>

<p>Brilliance is a funny thing, it is subjective, and I think that people confuse brilliance with things like great grades or test scores. The kids who get 2400 SAT’s and 4.0 GPA’s and so forth don’t have to be brilliant, they simply have to be academic excellent kids,but there actually can be a negative association with brilliance there. Why? Because as someone else posted earlier in the thread, there are ways to get great grades by giving the teachers what they want, doing all the extra credit, etc, and you can get great grades in a typical class simply by knowing what the teacher wants, and also has great study skills and such, likewise getting a 2400 on the SAT’s doesn’t mean you are brilliant either (in fact, the new SAT has no correlation to intelligence as measure on IQ tests, Mensa allows using the old SAT I took for admissions, the new one doesn’t count). I am not saying that in a negative fashion, having the work ethic and good study skills are essential things to have…</p>

<p>The problem is that truly brilliant people often aren’t the ones who have the 4.0’s, the 2400’s and so forth, because the way their mind works, they often are the square peg in the round hole, they don’t necessarily do thing the way other students do, in their quest to figure things out they may spend time on a test working out a unique way to solve a problem and leave others blank, and they often drive teachers up the wall because of the questions they ask. A lot of people we now consider brilliant had trouble in school, didn’t really fit in (Einstein is a classic example, Beethoven was a musically brilliant, probably as much as any composer has ever been, yet he didn’t fit the mold either and was told by some he was destined to be a failure), and so forth. The kid who gets all the great stats, on the other hand, may do everything the conventional way, never really think of new things, and get the great grades, to go the great school, and do well, but never really achieve anything extraordinary.</p>

<p>I think the term is overused (not talking about the UK usage, which means something different) and yeah a lot of parents use it. I have met brilliant people, the guy who founded the company I work for truly is that IMO, because he created something totally new and had ideas few would have in my experience and his whole life has been like that, but he is one of the few people I would call truly brilliant I have met (the head of development at my old company also was up there that way). In the Novel Cryptonimicon they have a character, Waterhouse, who fits the description. He is taken into the Navy before Pearl Harbor, and they give him an aptitude test (he had been at Princeton, was a math genius of sorts, but bombs out because he is studying engineering, which bores him). On the aptitude test they give him they have the classic problem with rowing a boat upstream and downstream, with current x, how fast the rowers can row, and ask the round trip time. The character thinks that answer is too obvious and can’t be what they want, but starts thinking about it, and comes up with a totally revolutionary answer complete with a long proof spanning many pages of a new method to accurately calculate all kinds of things…but he only does the one problem, because he spent the whole time doing that work, he gets a 0, and the navy figures he is an idiot and makes him a glockenspeil player in a navy band…oh, yeah, he kept his scratch work and submitted it to a mathematics journal where it was published…:)</p>

<p>Brilliance really is in the eye of the beholder, Zoosermom mentioned a kid she thought was brilliant, that he had magnetic stage presence and such. What is interesting is in the training of classical musicians, magnetic stage presence, musicality and stagecraft generally count for very little IMO, the gatekeepers consider basically one thing, technical capability, how perfectly you play, and it shows because they admit and turn out musicians who can play a paganini caprice perfectly, but on stage are wooden and robotic and would put an audience to sleep, but pedagogues and competition panelists consider them brilliant…</p>

<p>To me brilliance is someone who can do things differently, who achieves a level, not on standardized tests and grades that measure the ability to do what is already been done, but to push things out that; the musician who can galvanize an audience and bring new light onto a piece of music, the scientist who comes up with a new way of looking at things, the artist who creates in ways not derivative of others that capture those viewing it, are brilliant. Beethoven’s symphonies and his late chamber works all created totally new vistas in music, Stravinsky’s music for the “Rite of Spring” broke new ground in many ways, and Einstein and some others helped change the way we understand the universe, that is brilliance. On the other hand, the CEO who brings in record profits is generally not brilliant IMO, just a good financial mechanic.</p>

<p>With Brilliance you also have the strangest paradox of all, what they used to call (in less PC times) the idiot savants. There were people who could multiple two 6 digit numbers in their head yet were literally well below normal on a IQ test, there were people who could do complex chemical reaction equations by glancing at the compounds involved yet couldn’t otherwise do real analysis, their brilliance would be in one thing while otherwise being developmentally impaired. And of course, that people can be gifted in one thing and an absolute klutz in another. I think Isaac Asimov told a great story about that, when he was in school he didn’t win the math or the science prize, and his parents were disappointed, but he pointed out he was next in line for both prizes, while the kid who won the math award was horrible at science and the kid who won the science award couldn’t add two 3 digit numbers (and that mollified his parents)</p>

<p>Well, I’m like Thumper. Most certainly my children are brilliant - but I just keep that to myself. Really and truly, I’m glad they are intelligent. It is more important to me that they are kind, have a strong moral compass and make sound decisions. ;)</p>

<p>cromette, I agree. My son was first called brilliant when he was 4 months old and–you guessed it–it was in the UK. I thought this 16 year old girl calling my baby brilliant must be a genius herself, then I realized it was a British term that meant lovely or really nice. My son is very bright, but the part that shines brightest is the part that wants to help other people.</p>

<p>My wife and I have a couple friends that I believe are truly brilliant … they are quicker, more clever, and can tie more disparate information together in more imaginative ways … the ultimate conversation partners. (Although I doubt they say the same about us unfortunately).</p>

<p>There is a funny story about when Mia Hamm was first brought onto the national soccer team. A regional coach called the national coach and told him there was a young player he wanted the national coach to see (to consider for the national team). The national coach asked who the player was and the regional coach refused to tell him and told the national coach he has something like 30 seconds of the game to figure it out … it took the national coach 10-15 seconds to pick Mia out. She was 14-15 was playing with much older kids and still instantly stood out … brilliant!</p>

<p>I went to junior high school with a Nobel Prize Winner in physics. He did his Nobel work when he was 19. He was the son of an immigrant janitor. I had higher grades than he did. I had higher SAT scores than he did. He was never better than fourth or fifth in the class. But everyone knew he was the most brilliant person any of us had he ever seen (before or since).</p>