<p>The Brits should begin deportation, not prosecution. That’s only way to deal with this threat from within. </p>
<p>Imagine if she’s convicted it will just reaffirm the martyr complex in her and so many jihadists. She will take her quoran to jail and read it day and night and find more hatred and cause for violence. You can’t keep her in jail long because she hasn’t done it YET. And she just wait for the day she’s released to fullfill her mission, commit mass murders. No prosecution. Deportation.</p>
<p>how to saw off a head…well…so what!!! seriouslly people, it was writing, when writing become illegal we have lost already to the terrorist- so much for the reason we are fighting them, eh> to protect democracy </p>
<p>we have literature about poisening people, we have books on rape, bank robberies, who decides what is a threat?</p>
<p>let say someone writes a poem about nailing someone to some wood and letting them bleed to death in public in order to stop him because they saw him as a threat</p>
<p>so she wrote a bad poem…scary to me that some would jail people for what they write</p>
<p>cgm - Did you read the whole article? There’s more to it than writing a poem. There’s also a good chance there’s more to it than was in the article.</p>
<p>even agatha christie talks about how to kill people in her writing</p>
<p>guess we should just stop spy thriller writing because, gee, they talk about all sorts of “threatening” stuff</p>
<p>I am watching the movie Blow and we learn all about how to smuggle drugs, should those writers be jailed?</p>
<p>What is it about Beheading that freaks so many out? Because we saw it?</p>
<p>It is just amazing how frightened we have become of words…tell me, what did she really do besides have some reading material, talk big, and write some tacky poetry?</p>
<p>When we through people in jail for thinking, we are no better than those we fear</p>
<p>Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."</p>
<p>If the First Amendment means anything, it means that a state has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his house, what books he may read or what films he may watch.
Thurgood Marshall</p>
<p>When you can be arrested for what your write and read, that is what the founding fathers feared- that is why is the 1st amendment- not the last</p>
<p>“She will take her quoran to jail and read it day and night and find more hatred and cause for violence.”</p>
<p>THIS just crossed the line.
As a Muslim student in the United States, I cannot tolerate that statement at all.</p>
<p>Do you realize that you are taking the holy book of the world’s 2nd-largest and fastest-growing religion and basically wittling it down to a manual of “hatred”?</p>
<p>I agree that the Brits are more “liberal” than us Americans but much, much less tolerant to foreigners. If you ever happen to visit London (or practically any modern Euro. city for that matter) you will realize that blocks of the city are split into ethinic neighborhoods. In the USA, the furthest “ethnic” neighborhoods reach are black or hispanic-dominated streets. That’s it.</p>
<p>As a politically moderate Muslim-American, I have to say that I would fear the woman. Airport background checks apparently are not strong enough, or perhaps she was employed before she started becoming interested in all this jihad.</p>
<p>I’m not a lawyer nor do I have a clue about the judicial system, so really I have no opinion about whether she should be in jail or not. </p>
<p>What SHOULD be done, however, is to figure out how the youngest adults of every Westernized society are becoming more influenced by these extremists! And I’m not just speaking about Islamic extremists! Extremism can be drugs, alcohol, suicide…Religion doesn’t necessarily have to have the most influence on their lives. They are, after all, young adults.</p>
<p>But seriously, the Qur’an comment crossed the line. I’m not going to even start lecturing on that. I’m surprised no one else has stood up against it. There are so many BAD BAD BAD translations of the Qur’an which may make phrases seem full of hate, but essentially it is the philosophy of Islam. And as risky as it may seem to say this in the 21st century, Islam is NOT a religion of hate.</p>
You would probably say what’s the harm ,it’s only an animal when young Jeffrey Dahmer skinned a cat.</p>
<p>Where do I draw the line. I draw the line based on preponderance of facts that most terrorist acts are carried out today by islamic extremists, and they invariably started out by swearing to wage jihad against infidels, and these people actually carry out their threats.</p>
<p>You liberals live in a cocoon. All that idealistic rants about defending democracy is warrant for self destruction and blind to the increasing danger we face. Furthermore liberals make the real citizens who care for our country and are on the front line fight 2 wars. One against people from outside who seek to exterminate civilization, one to fight the lame-brain leftists from within.</p>
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Dont understand. She’s incarcerated now. Deportation will send her out from jail to goodbye Great Britain. Since she’s so fond of Osama why not send her to like some no man’s land in between Sunnies and the Shiites, and she can decide which to join.</p>
<p>My D once wrote an essay for a scholarship- it was who would you be for 24 hours and why…</p>
<p>Her choice of topic was interesting - to be a suicide bomber for 24 hours- 1 day before the event…</p>
<p>at first glance it seemed a very strange topic- but when going further, it was about looking into what makes young people vulnerable to others pressure, how to understand what is driving the violence, and yes, how their religious beliefs are twisted and turned for others’ agendas</p>
<p>She had all kinds of materials about suicide bombers, the actual bombs- how they are made, etc…the stuff on her computer and the websites she found would make others nervous…</p>
<p>The lady wrote some bad poetry, some blogs, etc…what did she DO that has you all so frightened?</p>
<p>and the comparison to dahmer was absurd on its face…in China we have thousands in jail for disagreeing with the government- their crimes- Writing…and in Pakistan, thousands more in jail for what, disagreeing with the government</p>
<p>when in America does writing about something become a crime" When have Americans become such wusses that they are not strong enough to handle the writings of others…when have some Americans become so fearful of books and manuals and papers and think we are such a weak nation that we can’t handle words?</p>
<p>I think America is stronger than most conservatives do…I believe our constitution was written to protect the ugly, because who is to decide what is ugly</p>
<p>Some would find the writing about how to perform abortions or dispense birth control dangerous, should those people be allowed to decide what should be written?</p>
<p>We are not a weak nation, but when we succumb to fear and give in to words, we are no better than the people we claim to be fighting</p>
<p>Dateline San Francisco: summer 2006
muslim man mauled down people in a black SUV from downtown San Francisco to the Fisherman’s Wharf. Witness recalled a psychotic looking driver chanting “Kill Kill Kill, Die Die Die”.</p>
<p>Dateline Atlanta: spring 2006
FBI nabbed an African American (couldve been any race) who was recently converted to Islam for planning to blow up landmark buildings. Colleagues recalled him following his marriage to a muslim woman saying to everyone one who could hear, “I want lots of babies, I want to raise lots of my little jihadies”.</p>
<p>Don’t tell me it’s isolated. It’s a manifestation of full-blown dispise for civilized people everywhere.</p>
<p>Beirut08, why is it some people get nothing but hatred after following Islam?
Isn’t jihad a central goal in Islam ?</p>
<p>I genuinely like to hear response from people who are in the world’s fastest growing religion to tell me where I am wrong about my perceptions, and I think much of other non muslims too. It seems like they all believe in the rhetorics of the martyr syndrome, or we-are-persecuted syndrome and blame the west. Bear in mind they exercise the same brutality against each others too, witness the sectarian violence in Iraq as one of many examples.</p>
<p>I don’t think you realize that these randomly-targeted attacks by Muslims make up about what, 2% of every action that Muslims do? Can you be serious, man? I mean, I’m on the verge of calling you ignorant and I don’t even know you! </p>
<p>Go to ANY reliable, objective source and it will say that the vast MAJORITY of Muslims are moderate and mainstream. These Ahmedinejad, Hezbollah, and Gaza strip imposers are nothing but foolish people blatantly SCARRING the name of Islam. Any sane Muslim can tell you that their deeds are quite the opposite from what we are ordered to do.</p>
<p>How about all the regular Muslims out there, huh? How about that CNN special, “Warriors of God: Islam” where that young American-Muslim lady was talking about living a normal life in the USA. </p>
<p>My uncle was a pilot for a major airline prior to September 11th. Everything changed after that. His name is Ahmed and he lost his job.</p>
<p>My other uncle, who lives in Saudi Arabia, comes to the USA a lot for contracts with engineers and such. He’s been coming to the US since the 80’s. His first trip after 9/11 was around November of that year and because his name was Ossama (although he has green eyes, fair, fair skin, blonde hair, and wears khakis everywhere), he got stopped at customs for three freakin’ hours. He happened to be travelling with his brother-in-law, who is older, with deep-set black eyes, jet-black hair, a little beard, and speaks less English than my uncle. His name is Jad. He went through customs easily.</p>
<p>Yeah, I’ve got to say that edvest1’s views on Islam are pretty ignorant.</p>
<p>Islam may have the largest amount of extremism of any religion at the moment, but anyone who thinks this is unique of Islam has a very selective memory. The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition anyone?</p>
<p>Every religion has extremists. It’s just that at the moment, those who hate Western civilization are finding Islam to be a convenient vehicle for spreading radicalism. That doesn’t make the religion itself bad. It just happens to be sitting on top of a number of cultural phenomena and is being exploited at the moment.</p>
<p>Well… I am not a religious scholar- but I am partway through the first season of Sleeper Cell-( highly recommended BTW) and from what I understand- the greatest Jihad is not against the West or unbelievers, but against the evil in ourselves.</p>
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<p>so to go back a few posts- CGM did your daughter get the scholarship?</p>
<p>I think we should be concerned about any religion that’s being used successfully to mold masses of people into violent action. Hundreds of years ago this would have been various religious sects including Christianity and now it’s Islam (plus various weird sects like the Jim Jones group and the flying saucer group). It’s hard to deny that there are literally thousands of people being influenced in a very negative way by certain Islamic religious leaders. It’s certainly not all of them and we all know that ancient texts like the bible and koran can be interpreted in many ways both for good and for evil depending on the goals of the ones using it but there are certainly some using it in an evil way IMO.</p>