Fell asleep no, passed out…probably. She had alot to drink so that is assumption that is highly likely.
Its his word against hers. Read the police report! She specifically got drunk at home, according to that report, had to be driven to the Stanford party, with her sister, she was too drunk to drive.
I believe she was not raped, and have never believed she was raped, after reading the police report.
They were having sex outdoors, after leaving a party drunk together. How does he get accused of rape?
She fell asleep and ended up on an ambulance as she was passed out
and another person unrelated to her, made a decision that she needed a hospital.
. She was asked if she wanted a “rape kit” at the hospital,
and she went with it. Her letter is about the rape kit, NOT THE RAPE. She has no memory of being “raped” if you read the police report and her letter. Her letter is only about the rape kit, exam, NOT the rape at all.
She was not raped, he felt her up, and then was humping her, with his clothes on. Read the report.
I mean, its unfair to him, what happened in that courtroom. But he ran from the scene, after their encounter was interrupted by two random guys at 3 am, yelling at him in the dark.
Yes she was passed out though, and that may well be illegal, to have sex with a passed out person, so
he got charged.
I don’t know if that means she was forced, which is my definition of sexual assault though. I believe its simply her word against his word. There were witnesses that saw them leave the party hand in hand. There were witnesses who saw them kiss at the party.
They did not KNOW EACH OTHERS NAME, and she was a lot older than Brock and not a Stanford student.
Afterwards, she appears to say she did not want sex, but I don’t buy it. Read the police report.
MODERATOR’S NOTE: Please stop debating this point, since CC is not a debate society.
The key question, was the sexual encounter between Brock Turner and “victim” consensual? Since he says
yes and she says no, its her word against his.
Why else is she coming to parties at Stanford University after drinking four shots of Whisky at home? She just likes to be drunk, but NOT have sex? I guess to me it leads me to believe she went to the party for sex. What else?
Brock Turner drank and used drugs while still in high school, back in Ohio, before he ever got to Stanford.
My memory is that he already had an alcohol violation at Stanford before the night he was arrested.
A bunch of us did read the police reports at the time. I remember there were drunk male party goers helping her. They were worried about her.
MODERATOR’S NOTE: OK, I guess I should be clearer. No more discussion of whether the sex was consensual.
@MaineLonghorn What else matters in this case? Maybe you can close the discussion . The only thing that matters here is whether she had the intention of having sex. If she did, he should not have been convicted of anything.
Article on what Brock has been up to: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7112587/Pictured-Stanford-rapist-Brock-Turner-working-factory-12-hour.html
Whats odd is Emily Doe, is writing a MEMOIR of an attack she cannot remember, according to her own story.
I hope Stanford closes their parties to outsiders. I think Stanford is liable for this incident in many ways.
Undergraduates pay a lot of money to attend Stanford. Most schools offers some protections and guidance to freshman. Maybe I am naive, but some midwestern schools just protect undergraduates a bit better.
Stanford? It seems freshman athletes better be very mature and focused to not get sucked into situations they cannot handle.
I am wondering if Professor Michelle Dauber will be a co author on her book.
https://law.stanford.edu/directory/michele-landis-dauber/
Professor Dauber was the person who lead the recall for the CA judge in this case. She is a personal friend of Emily Doe, apparently.
Here is an article to understand some of the backstory concerning Professor Michele Dauber, the judge, and Emily Doe.
https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/brock-turner-michele-dauber/
Brock is a convicted rapist, no matter how you try to smear his victim.
It was never clear to me if the poor victim was drugged or had actually consumed so much alcohol she became unconscious. In any case, the victim could write about the aftermath and whatever else she sees fit. As she was unconscious, she obviously can’t write about things she saw or felt while in that state.
@Coloradomama - the Daily Mail article includes the entire victim impact letter that she wrote to the court. It’s clear that she has a lot to say about what happened to her. After she read that statement, the judge sentenced Brock Turner to only 3 months in the local jail. I bet her book will have a lot to say about that too!
I assume that the people who would be interested in reading such a book would want to know what it is like to be a victim of attempted rape. What is the examination like, what are the police interviews like, what is it like to be deposed by the assailant’s lawyers if that happened, what is is like on the stand, how do friends and family treat the victim, how does it feel to know someone would try to rape you when you’re unconscious, how does it feel when your assailant gets only three months in jail for his crime? There’s a lot for her to talk about, and I guess she’s choosing to talk.
181,183,185
I cannot believe what I am reading.
MODERATOR’S NOTE:
This thread was revived after 10 months because of some new articles. However, @MaineLonghorn 'snote from 10 month ago still applies: “OK, I guess I should be clearer. No more discussion of whether the sex was consensual.”
I can’t believe I actually have to say this, but any type of victim-shaming does not align with the forum rules,and needs to be avoided in posts.
Compliance with moderators’ instructions is not optional. Several posts edited/deleted.
Yes I support a child sex offense registry. 100 percent. Lifetime. It’s ok by me. As long as it’s not mandatory. Ie the 18 year old convicted of statuary rape of his 15 year old girlfriend type case.
Any sexual assault with mayhem attached- additional violence or false imprisonment or kidnapping etc. -lifetime registry. It’s the combination of crimes and don’t care if it’s the first time.
But for lack of consent based crimes where the facts are murky. Let’s believe the victim, if credible. Then an appropriate prison sentence, probation and a flexible registry system based on the facts of the case. Not lifetime unless they are convicted of another felony down the road. Doesn’t even have to be for sex related crimes.
They’ll always have the conviction to explain in certain areas of life. Jobs. Any licenses. govt work volunteer organizations church orgs little league coaching politics everything really.
To other poster’s points - they don’t even have a lifetime registry for people released after serving time for murder, bombings, manslaughter, kidnapping , armed bank robbery or drunk driving homicides. All extremely severe and life altering. In fact, life ending.
I know nothing about this particular Stanford crime to comment.
But an eventual opportunity to have the registry term end is in keeping with the constitutional barrier to cruel and unusual punishment. A lifetime registry is unusual. Singularly so.
This case is a great lesson for any kid going off to college. Don’t drink. Ever.