Bush v. Protestors - Maybe he should have been shown.

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<p>Btw, Weenie, not only do the poll numbers show cratering support for Bush, but so do my anecdotal experiences. One of the biggest and most relentless Republican honks I know, somebody I work with in connection with a UCLA booster club, mournfully called Hillary Clinton’s presidency a foregone conclusion…if I still smoked cigars, I’d have swallowed it. </p>

<p>And my brother, the conservative pastor of one of the Episcopal congregations that has broken off from the American church and put themselves under the authority of a foreign bishop, and who is married to a four-striper’s daughter, now calls Bush a moron and is totally disillusioned. I won’t be surprised if he sits out 2008. </p>

<p>With defections like that, the GOP is in trouble. And the lack of energy and enthusiasm among quite a few who haven’t yet broken ranks is noticeable.</p>

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<p>TheDad - Oh I know. But I get angry listening to my former-Bush-supporter friends. (Picture my garden club. LOL) I think - well why did you deliver this president to the world then? Why didn’t the SEE? Sigh.</p>

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<p>What do you expect from Dubya? He is the “decider.”</p>

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<p>Folks, we have a president who says he just “knows” things, goes by his “gut,” judges other leaders by looking deep into their eyes, and believes that God is telling him he is right.</p>

<p>Of course he needn’t be inconvenienced by people who disagree with him.</p>

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<p>The Democrats like to yack about GWB to cover up for their own moral cowardice and political ineptitude.</p>

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<p>^^^Whoah! Quite a broad brush you have there, mini!</p>

<p>I’m wondering what moral cowardice you have noticed in my posts. Political ineptitude? Oh yes, I’ll admit that!</p>

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<p>Moral cowardice. They need exactly one “vote” to stop the hostile, aggressive occupation. Pelosi or Reid. There is no requirement that they EVER have to bring funding for the occupation to even come to a vote. There is no way around them. I don’t expect Hillary is going to be paying a private visit to Harry or Nancy anytime soon. We are now two years since Murtha called for a complete pullout - what Democratic candidates other than Richardson or Kucinich are calling for the same BEFORE the next election?</p>

<p>They got caught up in the Clinton/Tenet Big Lie of 1998 (itself a coverup for genocide, with a million dead, half of them children), and have never recovered the moral authority to govern.</p>

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<p>He knows.
He doesn’t care what you think unless you are a crony.
Noblesse oblige.
He is in direct communication with God.</p>

<p>If you were in NYC during the last Republican convention, you would know that this is “1984.” The right to dissent is hanging by a thread and being sequestered behind barbed wire fences. We have no free speech rights anymore. I work in TV, I know. Just ask Bill Maher who lost his job for one thoughtless and untimely comment.</p>

<p>Dream: Re-imagining Progressive Politics in an Age of Fantasy (Paperback)
Stephen Duncombe
BuzzFlash.com’s Review (excerpt)
“A twenty-first-century manifesto for the left—how we can draw upon popular fantasies to create an alternative politics through imagination and spectacle.”</p>

<p>BuzzFlash found “Dream” one of those indispensible “overview” books that progressives who are interested in strategies to achieve political power and goals must read. </p>

<p>In a nutshell, “Dream” argues that we avoid popular culture, fantasy and dreams at our peril. Liberals tend to believe that reason and persuasive argument will carry the day. But, the Republicans have been appealing to emotion and cultural archetypes, all along packaging themselves as the “common American.”</p>

<p>Furthermore, the Republicans embrace their energized base, while the DLC types try to keep their energized base – us – at arm’s length. This is because, the DLC believes in some mythical “rational, moderate” appeal to a centrist America that doesn’t exist, as the Republicans seduce a lot of the working class white vote through the exploitation of cultural symbolism.</p>

<p>Television, in particular, conveys symbolism more effectively than public policy debates, and the Republicans understand this in a profound way. </p>

<p>From the Introduction to “Dreams”:</p>

<p>The problem comes down to reality. Progressives believe in it, Bush’s people believe in creating it. The ideological inheritors of the May ’68 protest slogan “Take your desires for reality” are now counseling its reversal: take reality for your desires. Conservatives are the ones proclaiming “I have a dream.”</p>

<p>From a profile of Duncombe in the Village Voice:</p>

<p>“The idea, which Duncombe dubs “dreampolitik,” is that progressives, armed with strategies derived from sources as vast as advertisements, celebrity-gossip magazines, and the casinos on the Las Vegas strip, would then be able to enact a politics that enthralls a broader sweep of Americans. The left needs to start appealing to people’s hunger for hope and attraction to fantasy life. What’s more, Duncombe said, they have to let go of the belief—“naive at best, arrogant at worst”—that intellectual arguments should be enough to win people over, and that spectacle, as the Bush administration employs it, is something to which they shouldn’t have to resort, a tawdry means to an end. “It’s a pathos of the left,” he said. “We’re worried about selling out, but no one’s buying.” Besides, the point isn’t that liberals move towards conservatism; it’s that they become savvier and, ironically, more realistic about what it takes to win.” </p>

<p>Look out–Karl Rove has resigned in order to “engineer” the new Republican presidential campaign (behind-the-scenes) just like he did with Bush. He is the master of the diabolical and I wouldn’t count out the Republicans in spite of the disaster that the current administration is.</p>

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<p>It’s time we embrace Paris and Lindsay and Nicole and Britney as what we should all want for our daughters (or sons ;)).</p>

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<p>It’s interesting how he reacts when something does puncture the bubble. If you saw the press conference he gave the day after the midterm elections, he looked positively shaken. He clearly was not expecting the result, despite all the poll results. </p>

<p>Apparently he believed Karl Rove’s claims to have a “different math” “THE math” that would make Republicans the winners. (Rove was even planning to call a special committee after the election to analyze why the polls were so wrong and he was so right).</p>

<p>IMHO, he looked more shaken by that than by any other event of his presidency.</p>

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<p>He’s not very good at going off script.</p>

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<p>"They must miss the days when Bush supporters flocked to these threads. So many voices missing, it’s almost hard to have a debate anymore! "</p>

<p>"not only do the poll numbers show cratering support for Bush, but so do my anecdotal experiences. "</p>

<p>Marcus Aurelias sums it up the best:

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<p>Do all you liberals build your self-esteem by declaring that YOUR commander in chief is stupid? George W. Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard Business School. He is hardly an intellectual, but you speak of him as if he is mentally ■■■■■■■■. Has the Iraq war gone well? Obviously not. I don’t know how many times I turn on cable news to watch another liberal pundit proclaim “this was an ill-thought-out war.” You think?? Don’t go out on a limb! But this war was ill-thought-out by many people, including YOUR CONGRESS. Yes, remember your darling Hilary Clinton voting for the war. And the current Democrat-controlled Congress has lower approval ratings than George W. Bush. </p>

<p>Maybe you all can take a moment from ego-stroking to realize that George W. Bush & Co. has kept you safe for the last 6 years. And for that I am proud to call him my President.</p>

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Bullfeathers. The arrogant stumblebum nitwit has sprayed gasoline upon a fire and made the world a much more dangerous place for the West in general and Americans in particular, with negative consequences that will outlive me and shadow my daughter’s life. </p>

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And I will be proud when he is an ex-president, replaced by any of the leading Democratic candidates who have had a better vision in a minute than this boob has ever had in his whole life. And I will be proud when we’ve rendered those who have enabled Bush politically irrelevant and impotent for the rest of their lives, to never have the likes of Bush, Cheney, and the whole rotten neocon apparatus discarded onto the junk heap of history with no more power than spouting off on Bill O’Reilly’s show. </p>

<p>It’s going to take a couple of more election cycles after '08 but I think we’re going to get there.</p>

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<p>ff -</p>

<p>I truly LOVED the implied comparison of GWB and Marcus Aurelius. It was really NEAT! Can we then do Hillary Clinton and Commodus?</p>

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<p>Amen - The DAD. In my household we call him the great national embarressment. The only people he has kept safe are his oil company buddies. All the while destroying the USA’s reputation worldwide.</p>

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<p>The consensus among GW Bush’s critics back in 2000 was that he possessed only very modest talent and would be in over his head in the Presidency. And that his electability was based solely on his name and connections rather than on any merit of his own. Unfortunately for the US, the subsequent years have proven those critics to be absolutely right.</p>

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<p>Weenie, this thread was already too funny but now, I just can’t resist. Do you genuinely believe that the lack of responses to these posts is due to the fact that everyone agrees with them? Just how do you expect anyone to respond to this forum of psychics? “I feel that GW does not feel the way that you feel he feels…”? Sorry, but I am not a telepath, a mentalists, neither do I possess any other paranormal abilities. No, you can’t possibly be serious. </p>

<p>However, if you do want to know why the conservatives do not respond to CERTAIN posters, I can tell you the reason, at least for myself. My turning point happened after this post #35 by TheDad:</p>

<p>[And</a> all because our cowboy so-called president wanted to waive his genitals around the Middle East to one-up Dad. Bring 'em on. Mission accomplished.](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=4504200]And”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=4504200) </p>

<p>After reading this I was crystal clear that no responses are due. I mean, if someone starts nose-picking in front of you, would you give this person a lecture about a hygiene or health implications? You’d either slap his hand or turn around. Don’t get me wrong, I did not consider it offensive, merely distasteful, but do you really expect people to respond to anyone insulting their intelligence? Besides, this post was so innocently brilliant that no comments were necessary indeed. From now on, whenever I read TheDad sticker name, certain body parts immediately come to my mind, and I can assure you that they do not belong to GW. :frowning: So, what can I say, I guess I accept your condolences. (No, seriously.)
Oh, and BTW, weenie, I do like reading your posts, even when they are a bit provocative just like the one above. :)</p>

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<p>Hey, I did post #35, and I still wanna know what folks think of Commodus! ;)</p>

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<p>“George W. Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard Business School. He is hardly an intellectual, but you speak of him as if he is mentally ■■■■■■■■.”</p>

<p>No, GWB is not mentally ■■■■■■■■, but I seriously doubt he would have been anything close to Ivy material without heavy-duty family connections. He’s not the brightest bulb on the planet, yet he’s wily enough to have an ambitious, self-serving agenda and to surround himself with people who can help him ram it through–even when the majority of Americans are opposed to it. </p>

<p>“Maybe you all can take a moment from ego-stroking to realize that George W. Bush & Co. has kept you safe for the last 6 years. And for that I am proud to call him my President.”</p>

<p>He’s kept us safe while disgracing our wonderful country worldwide, and while creating countless new terrorists for the next generation to deal with. No past president, Republican or Democrat, has been as dangerous and shameless as this one. In my humble opinion. I, for one, am not proud to call this man my president, and I eagerly await the day when he’s out of office–whether through impeachment or the end of his eternal term. It can’t come soon enough. Not one of our current candidates, regardless of party, scares me like Bush does.</p>