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All this from considering that there might be more to our world than cosmic accident? OK…</p>
<p>Driver, how would you teach ID?</p>
<p>to dstark, i think you have noticed that many so-called christians often act against the Bible and are therefore hypocrites.</p>
<p>And that was stated many times. </p>
<p>If you truly think they will go to heaven, then sure, why not choose hell. Yet i think it is a pity to even trust in those hypocrites to make you change your mind about where you want to be.</p>
<p>many of us are probably giving them too much influence on us.</p>
<p>“These people who are inferior to us are less than human. Therefore, giving the inferiors fewer rights is OK. Therefore, taking their property away is acceptable. Turning them into slaves is OK. Turning them into workers with slave labor salaries is OK. Killing them is OK.”</p>
<p>dstark
…you’re describing Social Darwinism, right? The digging end of that shovel? Survival of the fittest and all that?</p>
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In a science class, I don’t know that I’d “teach” it per se, as much as allow it to be discussed. If questions as to the “creation of life” were to come up, all the ideas of some of our greatest scientists and philosophers would have relevance, even in a science classroom. If I were to actually desire to “teach” ID, I would do it in a History of Science class, or, obviously, Philosophy.</p>
<p>I know you didn’t ask me, but here’s the answer to “how would I teach ID?” in the science classroom. </p>
<p>I can’t, because it is not a scientific theory. Scientific theories are testable, can be disproven by a single example, and provide avenues for further study.</p>
<p>As a philosophy, it doesn’t belong in the science classroom.</p>
<p>Driver, you don’t think kids are aware that some people think God created the universe?</p>
<p>So you don’t think it should be taught in a science class either. Then what are you arguing about? That if a kid brings it up he should be allowed to talk and he isn’t? What do you think is happening in a classroom?</p>
<p>sorry for butting in, but the least we can do in the science classroom is point out the complexity and the flaws in the existing theory…</p>
<p>dstark,
I am not driver, but what I would do is teach what the textbook has about evolution, then mention some of the areas is which evidence for evolution may not be as strong. After that I would mention that some people believe that evidence suggests a design in the universe that could have come from some sort of intelligence. I would not go into details, but would allow a class discussion to let people express their opinions. I would stress that science is always studying the facts, trying to determine what is true, and that what we know changes and progresses over time, so that they shouldn’t think that what is in their texts today is the final word. That’s it. Nothing about faith, nothing specifically about God (although the students themselves would be allowed to express those thoughts, if they choose). Just the idea that we must always be examining the evidence to try to find the truth. I really do not see what would be so terrible about that.</p>
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This inaccurate paraphrase of dstark’s question epitomizes the difficult nature of this thread throughout, starting with its inapt title. The president doesn’t “want schools to teach intelligent design” in the science classroom. What he said was, that if schools are teaching about the <em>creation</em> of life–which I think we’ve established is a metaphysical concept–they should be exposed to a range of metaphysical thought.</p>
<p>"Scientific theories are testable, can be disproven by a single example, and provide avenues for further study.
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<p>So, what single example would disprove the theory of evolution? (I am asking in all honesty, as I have never heard a good answer to this.)</p>
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Of course. But the point that you and others continue to miss is that just because some people equate intelligent design with a personal God doesn’t mean that all or even most people who are willing to consider intelligent design believe in biblical creationism–or a personal God.
I’ve been consistent. Go back to page one. It’s all there.</p>
<p>If you check out the websites for ID-there are pages of how to teach it in science, along with books, lesson plans, etc…so what am I missing…</p>
<p>You are missing the fact that there is no Vast Intelligent Design Conspiracy. People have different views. It’s a big country.</p>
<p>a generous and open mind?</p>
<p>But what is being brought into the schools is basically coming from just a few sources…and the sources I am using were provided to by the posters here…</p>
<p>Why the big push then to get it into science classes, as in Kansas and Ohio…</p>
<p>Susantm, I don’t get it. I don’t think anybody would object to the way you are teaching and you can do it now. So why the ID push?</p>
<p>Driver, I want to know what you are going to specifically say to students under ID that you can’t say now?</p>
<p>I suppose it’s because there are people in Kansas and Ohio who think it would be a good idea…it seems that sometimes people take their democracy a little too seriously and forget what is good for them ;)</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.facingthechallenge.org/scopes1.htm[/url]”>http://www.facingthechallenge.org/scopes1.htm</a></p>
<p>Not being a teacher, I don’t know what can or can’t be said in the classroom regarding ID. I also suspect that it varies from place to place. As I have said, my primary beef since the beginning of this thread has been its misleading title, and the misreporting of what the president said in response to a gotcha question. I have no problem with the president’s response. If it’s not an issue, then the reporter was foolish to bring it up.</p>
<p>Driver, so if George Bush comes out and says we should teach the Judeo/Christian view of creationism in a science class and it is reported correctly, and people object, you have no problem with people objecting?</p>
<p>You just don’t want George Bush’s remarks misinterpreted?</p>