Bush wants schools to teach intelligent design.

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<p>Umrunner,</p>

<p>My suggestion was in regards to posting here; not traversing the corridors of Angel Hall—don’t be afraid.</p>

<p>Even then, it is clear I was wrong: those who get all righteous about ad hominems are apparently only concerned when they either are, or perceive that they are (paranoid), being slandered personally.</p>

<p>Hold your head high and use whatever quaint little witticism you please. “Pseudo-intellectual”: that’s a big word—you must be a sophomore.</p>

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<p>MrB,</p>

<p>“I missed the answer to my question does any ID supporter believe that the designer is still operating with us, or do they think the designer has left the building.”</p>

<p>Obviously many do, from a theological point of view; some do and don’t from a scientific point of view. Even at that you would, I think, have to separate your question in to two component questions:</p>

<ol>
<li><p>Do those who support the theory of design believe the designer is still designing? </p></li>
<li><p>For those who do not think so, does the designer support that which he has designed in a moral or transcendental fashion, i.e. religion, faith, love etc.?</p></li>
</ol>

<p>To me, they are different questions with a multiplicity of answers.</p>

<p>I’m 17, I don’t pretend that my opinion on these weighty matters is either significant or accurate. I differ to those who have thought it through in a way that I am as yet incapable of…and to the rules of logic.</p>

<p>I am, however, quite certain that the question is worth serious discussion.</p>

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<p>This is a response to an earlier post. Im sorry this took so long, but I do have a life. Anyway bneg here is my response to your response. First, the much talked about cons of evolution are:

  1. The probability of even simple life evolving at random in the time since the creation of the universe is 1:some really big number against. A scientist once said the probability of evolution of life as the theory now stands is equal to that of a tornado blowing through a junkyard constructing a jet engine out of parts.
  2. There have been plenty of fossils of other early species present, why no early humans?</p>

<p>Now, here are some of the proposed resolutions, but none have been proven:

  1. The early universe was extremely dense, and we know from relativity (Jew Power) that mass has the ability to warp and slow spacetime. So maybe life evolved in an empty region where time flowed faster and simply ended up in a slow region, by meteor, astral collision, or little green aliens.
  2. For a fossil to form the creature must die in a certain environment under certain conditions. Maybe our predecessors simply lived in a region and time not condusive to fossilization.
    And I am sorry, but with regards to ID, you are simply wrong. You are confusing what you are trying to prove and what you wish to prove it with. You are trying to prove humans evolved through ID, and you prove it with the fact there hasn’t been enough time for random evolution to take us this far. If you have doubts about that, refer to what started this topic. Bush proposed teaching ID as an alternate to evolution. Well evolution is a theory as to the creation of life, as is ID. Otherwise, Bush’s proposal would have been: use ID to prove the existence of God. If you believe that is ID, then that IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. But obviously that isnt so, because even Bush knows that would be pushing it.</p>
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<p>FountainSiren, while some may not see this a poltical, it is…and its religious…tp claim otherwise it being naive</p>

<p>To not see the mission of those pushing ID as a religous mission is being naive </p>

<p>ANd to not see the ramifications of teaching blending science and Christianity as having consequences is naive</p>

<p>Those of us that have been in thw world, seen what can happen, not just read about it, aren’t so naive</p>

<p>And, to call us paranoid, well fine, but we are realists, and to want us to feel stupid because we see the big picture and see what is going on, really going on, that is a way of not really paying attention to what we are saying.</p>

<p>Do you sill deny that the proponets in the public arena, which is where it counts, not in the conversations and discussions in chat room, have a mission to get religion back into schools, and not your religion, but theirs, do you not think the are telling the truth when they say the ID is a Christian God?</p>

<p>If you do not believe what they themselves had written, said, the ones who are providing the data you yourself read as gospel, you need, yourself, to look under that bed</p>

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<p>Kluge, please read all of my posts. What I said with regard to the “Hand of God” was my opinion, and I have said more the nonce that as a religious opinion, it doesn’t belong in a classroom or any scientific paper-proof. That said, I was simply trying to clarify that some people quoted as believing in ID believe in the former, not the latter. Still, as you said, it isn’t science and most certainly must stay out of a classroom. I also agree with citygirlsmom, Bush obviously had an agenda making that remark. But it was a remark and nothing more. It was a remark to get conservative support, but beyond that he won’t go any further, because to do so would mean he would have to face off not just against dem. but more moderate rep. as well.</p>

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<p>The president never just makes a remark…everything he says and does has an agenda, and and he doesn’t need to go any further. He has Frist, and others. </p>

<p>And it is already heading to schools as science. Even though there are so many questions about ID veracity.</p>

<p>We look like fools to the world.</p>

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<p>I wish it was staying out of the classroom, but it is not. In several states a few legislators and boards of education are working to get it taught as science. Right now. That is the real issue and we can debate its merits all we want, the reality, is, it is going into science classes. </p>

<p>It is amazing to me that people say, yeah, well, chill, the lions aren’t at the gate. You were right. THey are in the compound.</p>

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<p>I honestly did not know that. If that is true, we must really look stupid. Nowhere else in the world is this discussion really taking place. In ten years, the rest of the world will have cheap nuclear power, cures for many diseases, and in general be the leaders in science and industry. We will be left in the dust, because to many Americans are blind as to how these religious issues are hurting our country. We argue gay rights, DPRK and Iran make Nukes, and France has so much Nuc. energy they are actually exporting power to the rest of Europe. Weve just lost our space program, meanwhile Russia’s has been incident free for 30 years. And all politicians talk about is how a three days lesson in science class, where most of the kids either dont show up or zone out anyway, is surpressing their religious beliefs. If you believe in Jesus, Allah, God, Buddha, that isnt going to stop you. If it really troubles you as a student, you should care enough to look it up on the internet or go to a library.</p>

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<p>DMK: here you go. Just one example of how evolution is being treated in the schools these days. Why they don’t go after astronomers, I don’t know.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/12/kansas.evolution.flap/[/url]”>http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/12/kansas.evolution.flap/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>funny…i just want to know about the duck billed platypus…</p>

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<p>Well, hear you go.
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<p>they are sooo cute…my fave!!</p>

<p>THank you</p>

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<p>I never knew the males could secret venom. Better be careful the next time Im in Australia. I learn something new everyday.</p>

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<p>Who was the first person to claim “the sky is falling” and how did that whole thing work out?</p>

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<p>I like penguins too. I was in Catalina and saw flying fish, that was a hoot…their eyes are really big, but they have no control, so all they can do is see what they are crashing into!</p>

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<p>If you want to see something really neat, look up mudskippers, fish adapted for life out of water, they have periscope eyes atop their heads that give them a 360 degree view of the world.
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<p>Thanks!!! I like the fish with both its eyes on one side of its head…the adult flatfish</p>

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<p>August 22, 2005
EVOLUTION, INTELLIGENT DESIGN FAIL TO EXPLAIN BUSH</p>

<p>Scientists in Oslo Debate Origin of President</p>

<p>At a conference being held this week in Oslo, Norway, over one thousand of the world’s leading scientists have concluded that neither the theory of evolution nor the theory of intelligent design adequately explain President George W. Bush.</p>

<p>The conference, which organizers hoped would shed new light on the origin of the U.S. president, has so far led to more bafflement than insight, according to the University of Tokyo’s Hiroshi Kyosuke.</p>

<p>“There are some here who firmly believe that the theory of evolution explains President Bush, since he shares many characteristics in common with the chimpanzee,” said Mr. Kyosuke, one of the world’s leading zoologists. “And yet, if you put him and a chimp side by side, it is hard to say with any confidence that Mr. Bush has evolved.”</p>

<p>Similarly, supporters of the intelligent design theory have been frustrated in their attempts to apply that theory to President Bush, Mr. Kyosuke said.</p>

<p>“Most efforts to call Mr. Bush the result of intelligent design crumble to dust the moment he opens his mouth,” Mr. Kyosuke said. “So we’re really back to square one.”</p>

<p>As for Mr. Bush’s refusal to speak to antiwar activist Cindy Sheehan, Mr. Kyosuke said that he has developed a new theory to explain this phenomenon.</p>

<p>“I believe that President Bush is like ‘The 40-Year-Old Virgin,’” Mr. Kyosuke said. “He’s afraid to talk to a woman.”</p>

<p>Elsewhere, in his first major policy address since announcing his candidacy for governor of New York, former Massachusetts Governor William Weld said, “On second thought, the Red Sox suck.”</p>

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<p>thank you!!! Humor helps ;)</p>