Bush's Battle of New Orleans (for driver,cgm et al)

<p>It’s foolish to point fingers in some respects because of the unpredictable nature of these hurricanes as they get closer to land. Last year, we spent far too much money on plane tickets trying to outrun four of them, and three of four times we ran right into the hurricane instead of getting away from it because they didn’t track as predicted. So I can easily imagine that evacuation orders were issued past the timeframe when they might have actually been useful. </p>

<p>I was also in Miami last week during Katrina. Miami roads were completely congested, the airports closed, and most gas stations empty, so getting out - even though I have the material means (cash, car, etc.) to do so - was physically impossible. </p>

<p>The night it made landfall was frightening beyond belief, with a tree going through the roof of the house next door among other things. The morning after, I drove no more than eight blocks before returning to our rental home - far too many trees, glass, powerlines etc. in the roads, no electricity anywhere. For nearly two days after it was simply too dangerous to drive anywhere. Our rental home is still without electric even tonight, but I’m hearing tomorrow we should be back online. </p>

<p>Daughter’s college was closed for three days; later, we drove around to see some of the damage and we were shocked. We saw four hurricanes last year and a few in years prior but never have we seen such incredible damage as with Katrina. And it was only a category 1 in Miami! - I cannot even imagine it as a 4 or 5. For those of you who have not seen hurricane destruction up close and personal, trust me when I tell you that media visuals don’t come close to conveying the reality. </p>

<p>So I can well imagine the scenario as it played out in Louisiana and in Mississippi. I can certainly understand that - given traffic, gas, etc., people who wanted to simply could not get out, even if they had the means. Besides, who can believe the predictions of these hurricanes? It’s almost like reading tea leaves. I can remember no single time when a hurricane was predicted to make landfall in Florida that it arrived at the predicted landfall entry point. I can also imagine how very difficult it has to have been for government - federal or local doesn’t matter - to respond “quickly”. An area following a hit from a major storm would be very difficult to access safely no matter how many assets are applied. With Katrina just at a category 1, most roads were completely impassible, the airports remained closed for some time, and the entire area was simply a mess that was impossible to navigate. </p>

<p>But if there must be blame, it must be more heavily at the local level. First, everyone knows that in a major storm it will be necessary to have several days worth of water and food on hand. Actually, even if one is not expecting any storms it makes sense to have supplies in stock. In Florida the reminders are everywhere several weeks before the start of hurricane season and continue throughout. </p>

<p>Second, I have no idea what happens in other states, but in Florida, Jeb Bush and/or his staff are visible, vocal and involved, they’re on the news warning people to take the hurricanes seriously, giving instructions, direction and leadership, and the messages and information coming out of Tallahassee as well as local governments are constant. It’s impossible to live in this state and be unprepared for a major storm unless one is simply irresponsible. (By the way, behaving responsibly and preparing for a major storm does not require a lot of money - but it does require some common sense, and it requires that one pays at least a minimal level of attention to current events.) </p>

<p>Last, it’s hardly Bush’s fault that NO filled up with water, and it’s certainly not the fault of his administration that the local authorities failed to execute their responsibilities. However, I do think that the head of FEMA (Michael Brown?) should be replaced - I read today that his background is that he was legal counsel/rules enforcer for an arabian horse racing association, period. Apparently he has no experience whatsoever that qualifies him for his position. No emergency planning, training or response credentials, etc. The former head of distaster planning for Miami was quoted as saying that he has done an excellent job with the crisis in NO - “not one single arabian horse has died” she said. So the NO situation aside, this guy doesn’t sound like he’s what we need running FEMA - we need someone who has the credentials and experience that match up to the job.</p>

<p>“not one single arabian horse has died” </p>

<p>Funny. Liked that comment.</p>

<p>Agree that Jeb Bush and team are well organized in disaster management. They command one of the nation’s most populous, wealthy states. With that goes a hefty political clout–not to mention a certain ‘in’ with the White House and the Republican powers that be. </p>

<p>Louisiana is so NOT Florida. </p>

<p>In the aftermath of Katrina, New Orleanians were treated as second class citizens at best–by bureaucrats at all levels of government.</p>

<p>btw…interesting that Jeb Bush has been a bit quiet on this one. Wish I knew the back story on that too.</p>

<p>Cheers, from what I can see here, New Orleanians elected complete nitwits into office. The governor of Louisiana is an embarrassment and needs to be fired, or impreached, or perhaps placed on top of a roof without food and water for six days. But she’s there because the citizens of NO - along with others - placed her there. </p>

<p>You get what you allow, not what you deserve.</p>

<p>Agree that Nutters-in-Charge seems to be the theme for the day but money is what makes America go 'round and New Orleans doesn’t have money–nor does Louisiana–nothing like the funds that would be available in a large and prosperous state like Florida.</p>

<p>Brown and Blanco and Nagin might not be the brightest bulbs on the planet, but they thought their hands were tied by available funding. Their parsimony is a reflection of their coffers. In a million years they wouldn’t have been able to marshall the resources that were required. They HAD to have federal a$$istance to do the job properly. </p>

<p>In my mind, part of the delay can be attributed to the low profile of the Louisiana politicians. Washington didn’t hear their initial cries for help. Yes, some of it may be because they are not Guiliani or Pataki or Jeb Bush–but the majority of their low Washington profile is directly related to their low economic impact (prior to Katrina, that is). </p>

<p>Hillary Clinton could have easily staked out Louisiana as a good place for a rising senator–but she chose New York for the power and prestige that goes with a large prosperous state.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179587/site/newsweek/[/url]”>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179587/site/newsweek/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>hopefully link works</p>

<p>good article</p>

<p>ciao, no more for me</p>

<p>I think we should stop arguing and bandying words about. We should read the words of Voltaire when a similar catastrophe hit Lisbon, one of the most beautiful cities in Europe. Lisbon was hit by an earthquake, a huge fire, and a tsunami. We should also consider the spiritual and moral effect that this tragedy will have on the country:</p>

<p>Les D</p>

<p>Agreed.</p>

<p>The game of life is a chance! How telling that American citizens are to blame for their “accident of birth” status. Further, it is chilling that we search for blame when the important action is to come to the aid of American citizens. period.</p>

<p>If NO is any indication, we don’t seem prepared for a large-scale terrorist attack. I feel less safe now–and I think finding out who or what is to blame is exactly what we need to do to begin fixing the problems that have led to what all agree is a national disgrace.</p>

<p>Its not blame, its responsibility. If we don’t ask, this will happen again</p>

<p>When we have leaders, people in charge, saying they didn’t know, when we knew, and when they were told</p>

<p>Helping and questioning can happen at the same time</p>

<p>Someposters here say, well, everyone is safe now, so all is well. Um, no. If we don’t keep pressure on, people will get forgotten</p>

<p>If it takes a reporter asking the man in charge, Brown, about the Superdome, and he says he didn’t know, yet the entire world saw it on tv, what else can we think but incompetence?</p>

<p>And those same people are still in charge of the followup recovering</p>

<p>And they are patting each other on the back saying Job Well Done…and yet everyday, new memos, new statements, new information comes out showing how much was done wrong, and thats because people are looking. if people didn’t look and ask, we would be in the same mess next time</p>

<p>As I said, help and questions can happen together. You don’t think those svacuees have questions?</p>

<p>“ciao, no more for me”</p>

<p>When does “no” mean no?;)</p>

<p>She promises all the time. Such a tease.</p>

<p>Here’s a link to New Orleans’ emergency management plan:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.cityofno.com/SystemModules/PrintPage.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26[/url]”>http://www.cityofno.com/SystemModules/PrintPage.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Some might find it interesting.</p>

<p>Cause when I see lies, misinformation and other posters words twisted by people that have all the “answers” I can’t stay away</p>

<p>And when more news comes out by the hour about the incompentence and lies told by your heros, well, how can I keep quiet.</p>

<p>It is just so much fun when we catch Bush and Brown in a LIE!!! Really a lie</p>

<p>No one knew the levees would be breached is like a BIG ONE…yep…</p>

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<p><a href=“How race shaped Bush's response to Katrina.”>How race shaped Bush's response to Katrina.;

<p>From Slate magazine</p>

<p>The Engineers have indicated that the levees that failed were not planned to be improved, but rather were the updated design with earth and concrete. What actually happended was a design flaw allowed the earthen part to be undermined. Those funds would not have helped the failed levees as nobody knew they were a problem.</p>

<p>Is that from an engineering article, barrons?</p>