<p>Liked it enough to send to several friends/family! (Especially this comment: “Imagining this as voiced by Scrubs’ Dr. Perry Cox only makes it better.”)</p>
<p>I’m with the prof. How rude totally self centered of the student. I had a prof decades ago that would chit chat with us for a few minutes then quietly walk over and shut the door and commence class. Everyone knew that if they tried to skirt in late they only had until the door was shut. If the door was shut you were SOL that day. “Shopping around” is fine but I highly doubt the intent is to “sample” classes 15 minutes at time and coming and going during the class session. I just sent this to my neighbor prof, too, he’ll love it.</p>
<p><a href=“Student Information and Resources”>Student Information and Resources;
<p>“Behavior which … disrupts the educational activities and supporting services of
the University … is subject to review and possible penalty in accordance with the
procedures and practices of the University and its colleges, schools, or divisions.”</p>
<p>From the NYU Student Conduct Policies… The professor has grounds to kick the guy out, actually. This is more than manners, it’s breaking University policy by being disruptive.</p>
<p>What the student ought to have done was to e-mail all three professors to determine whether or not it would be all right to attend part of the first day of the course.</p>
<p>My husband, a professor, considers it disruptive whenever anybody enters the room after he’s started teaching. He has an attendance policy for his classes. Two tardies is about equal to one absence. You qualify as being tardy if you skate in after he starts lecturing. Fifteen minutes after the class has started, you’re considered absent. If you miss two weeks’ worth of class, you get docked a full ten percent of your final grade.</p>
<p>“I can’t teach you if you’re not here,” he says, “and if you know it already, why are you taking my class?”</p>
<p>And while he’s a hard-headed guy, I know for a fact that my husband would never tell a student to “get their ***** together” because THAT’S disrespectful, too… I agree with the professor, but wouldn’t use the tone he used. (My husband wouldn’t, either… well, maybe not… He says, “I would only phrase it that way if I knew the student, if it was well-deserved, and if I had tenure…!”)</p>
<p>PS: DH would NOT have forwarded it to the entire class, however!!</p>
<p>I’m also with the professor on this one.</p>
<p>I thought that was a great letter…many points for students to take to heart. They will likely meet bosses like that too and will never forget the lesson.</p>
<p>I’m with the professor.</p>
<p>I understand that “shopping” is normal. However, what the student did was extremely disruptive. The professor is right in assuming that he had to disrupt not just his own class, but the two others as well in order to do this. </p>
<p>Generally, when students “shop”, they attend one class each meeting and THEN decide which class they want to take. If he wanted to come that late to class, he should have e-mailed the professor before class and explained the situation, as anyone with manners would know to do. I have a feeling that had the situation been explained beforehand, the professor in question wouldn’t have had nearly as much of a problem.</p>
<p>I doubt the prof cared that much about the late arrival; it had surely happened before, and he had a ready response (“please leave”). What’s really appalling is that the student felt a need to correct the prof’s bad behavior! Just couldn’t leave it alone, entitled, self-important little cretin that he is. Prof showed restraint, Mr. advocate got what he deserved.</p>
<p>I’m with the Prof 100% on this. People today need to learn manners.</p>
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<p>I agree. The student assumed it would be OK if he arrived late. It wasn’t, the professor let him know by asking him to leave. It sounds like the student would have been welcome the next class session of he arrived on time.</p>
<p>The student seems to think it should have been OK because he didn’t know he couldn’t arrive late and it should have been OK because it was the first class. Well, it wasn’t, it isn’t a policy that applies only to people who know about it and it isn’t a policy for all class sessions after the first. It’s for all students all the time. I don’t see why the student felt the need to send an email.</p>
<p>Just imagine what the John Houseman character from “Paper Chase” would have done with this student!</p>
<p>I consider it disruptive when a student walks in even 5 minutes late to my class. Everyone stops listening and looks. Unless there is a legitimate reason, it’s just plain rude. I’m on time to classes and I expect the same from my students. At the same time, it is even more inconsiderate when other professors are the cause of a student’s lateness, if they hold their classes beyond the end of the hour. They are saying that their class is more important than other teachers’ classes.</p>
<p>Interesting. I have a completely different perspective. If the professor wants to have a strict policy about tardiness, that’s his privilege, but “disruptive”? “Rude”? Give me a break. If the kid burst into the class making as much noise as he could, sauntered to the front and center seats, plopped his butt down and pulled out a bag of popcorn, that would be disruptive and rude. If, as I instead suspect, he slipped in as quietly as he could, hoping to sit in the nearest seat he could find and not get in anyone’s way, then there’s nothing rude about it, and it’s only disruptive to the extent that the professor finds it impossible to avoid stopping what he is doing to take notice of it, in which case he might need to get over himself.</p>
<p>If I were late to a staff meeting at work, it would be considered extremely rude, disrespectful, and disruptive. This is the same thing.</p>
<p>Oh really? You don’t think it’s disruptive when you have paid $10 for a movie (in this case it’s a lot more) and some idiot decides to come in the middle of the movie, opening the door, walk in front of you, when you just wanted to watch the movie you paid for? </p>
<p>I do presentations sometimes. It is disruptive to me when people get up to walk out or come in the middle of it, no matter how quiet the person is. It maybe ok with just one, but when it happens multiple times then it’s hard to focus.</p>
<p>It is one thing to be a few minutes late for something, but an hour?</p>
<p>Over time I have worked myself up and I manage a sizable group at my firm. One thing my manager(s) still tell us is not to be late for meetings with our staff. If we are late, we should explain as to why. People feel disrespected or not valued when you show up late for meetings with them.</p>
<p>Cross posted with aibarr.</p>
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I don’t buy the analogy–the role of a student in a class is quite different from the role of a worker in a staff meeting. This depends to some degree on the size and format of the class, admittedly. I’m picturing a fairly well-populated lecture section. If it’s a small seminar, that’s a slightly different matter, but I still think the professor–and many here–are going a little overboard in their responses.</p>
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It bothers me for about a nanosecond, and then I get on with life.</p>
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<p>Seems that lack of manners and lack of humility may also be holding Professor Galloway back from achieving his full potential.</p>
<p>My kid just got home for practice with her new coach. On time is 15 minutes late, in her mind.</p>
<p>It’s probably not a bad way to teach kids the value of punctuality, which is useful in life.</p>
<p>Well, I for one was disappointed with this e-mail. It’s one of the blandest virals I’ve seen.</p>
<p>If the student had been rude in his e-mail, it would have set up the professor up to make a snappy, scathing response. But regardless of whether you think the student was rude to walk in in the middle of class, his e-mail is very appropriate . . . He clearly explains his POV without name-calling, etc.</p>
<p>The professor has a few mildly amusing lines, but in general is just not very funny.</p>
<p>On the matter of who is “right,” the professor or the student . . . Well, walking into class can indeed be disruptive. The student should have checked with the professors first. Maybe he could have visited each class for a full day instead. In that regard, the student is wrong.</p>
<p>On the other hand, how the professor can lecture the student about the decorum of professional life while simultaneously using a swearword in an e-mail and then sending a private e-mail to the entire internet is beyond me. (Remember, kids, be careful about what you put on Facebook, but forward private business communications to everyone you know; your employer won’t mind!) Also, the man has a shaky grasp of basic punctuation. “Get the easy stuff right xxxx”? “It’s not too late xxxx”? Come on, you’re a professor. Put a comma before the guy’s name.</p>
<p>This is a case of a disruptive student crossing paths with a smug buffoon. The kid should stay in the class. They deserve each other.</p>
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Not at any other institution of higher learning? How about Harvard? At Harvard, it is accepted practice that students come and go during the first week of classes. Profs adjust their teaching accordingly.
I am NOT with the prof. He’s a self-important jerk.
From what I gather, this was the first day of shopping period. Many courses are taught at the same time. Not all profs post their syllabi on the web (and this is a very very recent development). Students who are interested in many different courses MUST go from one to others within the same time period. They have only one week to decide before turning in their study card, often less than that, since many courses meet only once a week.
How many parents have said that students should take classes from profs who inspire them? How will they find out whether the prof drones on and on without attending the class or part of it? And if it turns out that the class is not what the student thought it was about from the very short catalog description and the requirements will make it impossible for the student to do well in that and other courses, the student should give up the chance to find another course that meets at the same time and might be a better match? </p>
<p>Sorry, I’m not buying this.</p>