<p>truthat - I’d go to IU over any of those schools. None of those schools offer my major. None offer the college experience. None have the financial oppurtunities that IU’s giving me. None have near the athletics (Cal is close, but IU’s got them beat). </p>
<p>And if it was between the quality of the business programs, IU is better than Cornell easily, and arguably better than Berkeley and Carnegie Mellon.</p>
<p>Don’t be a prestige whore. Look at the school that is strongest in your major and go there. The place where you are comfortable. IU offered that, so i’m going there. It’s assinine to say okay, leave everything out but the business program rankings, and even if you did that, IU would still have Berkeley, Cornell, and CMU beat according to the experts at Business Week.</p>
<p>Now I really didn’t express what I should have before about what I said about emory and 18. Other schools at 18 are PSU and OSU. After looking at these rankings I say that Emory is DEFINATELY a better school than PSU but the rankings(1 2 3 4) aren’t as useful to me in BW. I see Emory as 18 but I think I will use these BW rankings as a suppliment to USnews. When used together I say Emory is better than those at 12 and those at 18 as seen by the A+s and its high SAT scores with and low ratio. I think that individuals should see the data and decide for themselves. I think we are smart enough to do this. If that is all the data they used after analyzing the greater data then we know everything they ranked by. I could care less if the rankings were there or not because they just seem wierd because of examples like SMU and miami but there are more than that. I will use the data that they provided and that is why these rankings are so useful to me personally, the data. Not 1 2 3 4 but what the teachers are like and what the facilities are like, i use USnews for 1 2 3 4 because that is all they provide.
I am sorry if it seemed like i was totally disregarding these BW rankings in terms of data but I think my other post did make it seem like the data in these rankings are very very useful and will lead to better schools and more informed students.</p>
<p>A2Wolves, I suggest you look closer at the survey before you talke about quality of business programs.</p>
<p>First of all, Indiana is ranked 29th on that list for average median starting salary.</p>
<p>“And if it was between the quality of the business programs, IU is better than Cornell easily, and arguably better than Berkeley and Carnegie Mellon.”</p>
<p>Ok, according to your very own BW rankings, Indiana is ranked 16 for quality of business program. Seriously how can you consider Kelley as having the best quality when it doesn’t even require advanced mathematics as a degree requirement.</p>
<p>lol are we really going back into why iu belongs where it is? gatorade your talking about starting salary and IU’s average being low. If any of the business programs had the amount of students kelley had their overall average would go down. Conversly, if IU was an elitist like much of the schools you talk about and decided to only let in the top kids (hypothetically if they ranked their students and cut of at a number which is the same as the amount of students the school you are comparing it to) I am sure they would have as high or even higher than the schools you speak of, considering they sent 60 kids to ibanking, quite a few to consultants, and A huge amount to the big 4 as well as some of the top fortune 500 companies (all the higher paying jobs). and your talk of them having the 16th best in quality, they are behind MIT, arguably some of the smartest kids in the world. Also considering IU kelley has so many more students than all these schools you keep complaining about them behind ranked higher than, the admission standards not being as stringent as probably every single school you have spoken of so that means some of the students arent the best of the best, bringing them down, with all this against them and they still have the recognition and rankings at these levels, now thats impressive. To have all these factors everyone speaks off against them and still they end up above an IVY LEAGUE school in not one but two rankings, that truly shows the strength of the holistic view of the program.</p>
<p>rankings are great overall, atleast they provide information and take away from USNews’ monopoly over the rankings. Ofcourse I don’t necessarily agree with some of the schools ranked in top 10, its debatable and controversial. atleast now potential biz school applicants will have a credible source to turn to when they go through their college application process. After looking at the comprehensive data of the schools, I realized that some of the schools that I thought were really great are not so great anymore. Ross and Haas didn’t do too well, rightly so as they are lacking in some critical areas. Stern lived up to its name and did pretty well for itself and maintained its position. Its brought down by the lack of fiancial aid and facilities. Emory and IU biz programs got a big boost from the current rankings. Maybe Business Online was biased towards Kelley. Did anyone notice Kelley ads on the page? Overall, I think Business Online did a commendable job in providing essential data on undergrad business programs.</p>
<h2>the undergrad profiles are awesome. They have full length student reviews</h2>
<p>Surprisingly Umich is almost ranked high with the data provided. The grades for Umich are low for the ranking and again all the data provided for NYU are much better than that of Umich</p>
<p>Those aren’t full length. I remember typing A LOT more than what they give. Those are just short blurbs.</p>
<p>“It’s complete nonsense use U.S. News it is MUCH more reliable than this nonsense”</p>
<p>Any why is that? Not that I think this ranking is the end-all, but getting data from students themselves (and they are the only ranking to do so) is much a much more reliable method for measuring quality than the peer reviews US News uses.</p>
<p>this ranking definetely makes much more sense than USNews rankings. USNews is more like a list of schools that are nowhere close to each other grouped together.</p>
<p>Umm…whats there to see? Like i said the salary difference is going to be obvious because as you stated the amount of students and kelley compared to the amount of students at cmu is a major factor…just reread my posts above, you obviously did not understand what i said</p>
That makes the rankings weak. Students do not know which schools are better than which (as you can see on this forum where people just argue endlessly). Also, recruiters have a lot of bias and depends entirely on the selection group. Having more recruiters surveyed would actually hurt the ratings of schools like Wharton where a few top firms dominate the recruiting scene and scares away many lesser firms.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the ranking pulls numbers out of nowhere. MIT ranked so low in acadmic? lol what a joke.</p>
<p>USNWR is definately better. Of course, Untitled likes the BW one for some reason not mentioned…lol</p>
<p>BW never asks students “which schools are better than which”, the surveys merely ask the students their SAT scores and their assessments on their classes/professors.</p>
<p>“Having more recruiters surveyed would actually hurt the ratings of schools like Wharton where a few top firms dominate the recruiting scene and scares away many lesser firms”</p>
<p>business is way more than investment banking and consulting. a ranking of best undergrad business school is not supposed to be a ranking of best undergrad business in term of wall street placement.</p>
<p>there’s no reason to say BW is biased against wharton, since it’s ranked no.1</p>
<p>“MIT ranked so low in acadmic? lol what a joke.”</p>
<p>how do you know MIT’s academic should be higher than it is? you work at MIT? general perception (because it’s MIT!!)? bschool deans’ ratings? maybe it’s time to rely on some solid evidences. BW pulls its numbers out of SOMEWHERE. maybe URichmond and IU’s professors ARE that good. It is stupid to say “URichmond must have ****tier professors, because it’s not as elite as MIT”.</p>
<p>On the other hand, do you expect W&M’s undergrad bschool dean to know about over 100 undergrad bschools so well that he/she would give all of them fairly ratings? if BW were a joke, US.News would be a bigger joke.</p>
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<p>BW could be wrong, USNEWS could be wrong. What you can’t disagree is: this BW ranking will have a big influence on the next edition of USNEWS ranking.</p>