@bluebayou Amherst College has said for next year, they will grant any and all gap semester/year requests, and it is very easy to do so; all you have to do is email your class dean. Some students have already had gap year requests granted already (namely athletes, who don’t want to return considering that sports in fall/winter are very unlikely, and sports even in Spring 2021 are in question). They said regardless of their decision with regard to the fall semester, they will continue honoring any and all gap semester/year requests for the next academic year.
Also, I think next year, what they really need to do is “put on their big boy pants” and realize that an entirely online and remote approach is just unsustainable, give students and faculty the option of working from home while also allowing them to return if they want, and bring the students back.
Compared to instate public, yes, and to an excellent private. If one has the chops to get into Cal or UCLA, one can earn merit money at a bunch of private colleges. (smaller classes, better advising – UCLA is proud of its undergrads advising undergrads, but I’d prefer a faculty member, less bureaucracy) Better value, IMO.
Sorry, not dodging your question. I didn’t understand it, so I ignored it as we’ve sorta gotten off point of the CSU’s.
But since you asked, ‘it depends’ on the private college. HYPSM et al are still HYPSM et al, and since I assume that they’ll find a way to get back on campus within a year, still good value. If you are a star of stars, Yale still has a whole department of advisors to help you with the Rhodes application, or Fullbright, or… Corporate recruiters are still gonna recruit. Grad schools are still gonna appreciate recs from their profs. In fact, I’d argue that recs might become more important for some students as P/F grades seem to be taking hold while students are online. OTOH, no way I’d recommend paying sticker for say, University of the Pacific, in-person or online.
@bluebayou I think whether out-of-state tuition is worth it also depends on how good your state school is in-comparison. Meaning, I think if your state school is the University of North Dakota, it would probably be worth out-of-state tuition to go to UC Berkeley. On the other hand, if your state school is UMass Amherst or UNC, probably not.
But it’s not necessarily a binary choice. I’m guessing there are ~100 private colleges ranked ahead of UND (too lazy to count them all), most of which would give someone with Cal/UCLA numbers a merit scholly. For example, Cal is ranked #22. USC is #23, but USC offers an automatic tuition discount to NMSF’s. Wake Forest, #27, offers nice merit scholarships, as does Rochester #29, and BU/Case/Northeastern/Tulane #40. And on down the line.
Just my value prop for a typical major. Others (obviously) disagree.
btw: UND has a unique Aviation program, so it attracts folks from OOS. And, as an aside, someone with Cal/UCLA numbers could attend UND nearly free (if I’m reading the financial aid site correctly). Great idea if you are prelaw or premed.
@bluebayou, some of those privates offer scholarships, yes, but typically it’s very tough to get big ones these days at schools ranked close to Cal. The days when privates close to Cal’s level would readily hand out big scholarships to kids who have the stats to get in to Cal are over. And I can see why someone would pay more for Cal than some of those privates even with a scholarship. Rankings aren’t everything.
For instance, if a kid is interested in CS and wants to work in Silicon Valley, Cal may be a better value proposition than Tulane even if it costs more. Or they got in to one of those programs that guarantee Haas, they may pay more for that over CWRU. Furthermore, the difference between half-tuition at USC and full OOS at Cal actually isn’t that big because the USC list price tuition is very high. Also because the UC’s are very generous with AP credits (3’s will get you credits) so it may be easy to graduate early and save money if you plan, depending on your major.
Basically, if you delve deeper in to the details, paying OOS rates for Cal, UCLA, and even UCSD (a top feeder in to Silicon Valley) for some majors may make sense.
With regards to USC, not every NMF applicant gets a scholarship at USC. It’s not automatic for any NMF applicant.
USC has about 100 full tuition scholarships and 200 presidential half tuition scholarships. USC sends out about 1,100 scholarship packages to prospective admitted applicants, obviously not all of them NMF’s. And some students are granted an interview and some students aren’t.
Not all Cal State schools are commuter schools. Sonoma State, Cal Poly SLO, Chico, San Diego State, and Humboldt are primarily residential. I also think CSU Fresno is somewhat residential as well. CSU Long Beach and Fullerton are mostly commuter, but I’ve heard they’ve gotten more residential in the last 10 or so years. I don’t think many out of state people come to the Cal State schools, why would they? They’re good schools, but not worth going out of state for, when there are other local state schools elsewhere in the country of the same caliber. My niece went CSU Fullerton and loved her time there, but she did say almost everyone there was from California. She said it seemed like the only out of state kids were athletes…
@ucbalumnus Yep! I wasn’t too sure about CSU Fresno. I have a co worker who went there back in the day and she did live on campus her freshman year and I think she lived off campus in an apartment the rest of the time. She grew up in Bakersfield which is a couple of hours south of Fresno in the central valley, but she did say she went home for weekends a lot as did most kids who didn’t live right in the immediate area.
“I expect that a lot of other schools will soon follow.”
I would think most schools/systems are working hard, not to follow Cal State System’s example. It’s a hard pill to swallow. It’s been reported that the UC lost $1.2 billion from campuses shutting down from mid-March through the end of April.
I live in California and wouldn’t generally recommend someone pay OOS tuition to come to a UC or CSU unless there was a particular program that was offered here that wasn’t offered elsewhere.
I also wouldn’t assume the quality of teaching at a place like the University of North Dakota is any worse than at a UC. I went to both Ohio State and the University of Alaska for undergrad, and the quality of teaching at Alaska was much better than at Ohio State. Mostly that was because the class sizes were so much smaller in Alaska, and you had professors teaching you rather than TAs, many of whom could barely speak English.