California Wind/Fire Thread January 2025

I have some limited firefighter training (was a volunteer first responder). Hydrant systems are not designed to have hundreds of hydrants operational at the same time, they are designed for typical firefighting, a house, a business, not thousands at the same time. Even if water tanks hadn’t run dry and the like, this fire likely would have caused tremendous damage, but some people likely would have had their houses saved had the mistakes not been made…but that is human nature. Back in the 60’s there was a brush fire that ended up devastating Bel Aire. The problem was at the time that in responding, they did what most fire departments do in urban areas, they send a responding unit, then if it looks bad, they call in others. The issue was that by the time they called in other units it had gotten away from them, and they changed procedure, so today if a brush fire is reported they send out a lot of units, and if it is not a big threat pull the other units back.

Unfortunately it is usually after disasters that we find the holes in things.

There were mistakes made, that seem evident now (that sadly again are being used for the wrong purposes). One thing I heard on the news was that the gravity fed water tanks (those water towers you often see with the name of a town on them), couldn’t be refilled because the pumps couldn’t work because they didn’t have electricity. Why didn’t they have backup generators? Or maybe they did and didn’t work. Where I live there are wells for the county water system close to my house, and they have backup generators that can keep going for weeks if need be, to keep water supply going.

The other big problem is the prior year (2023), that region had massive storms, I remember the mudslide threats and the like. Because of all the rain, vegetation as is common in dry areas kind of exploded. Since then, they have been really dry and there is all that vegetation that grew during the rains. Fire officials have said that for whatever reasons (I have heard different explanations, environmental regs, cost cutting) that normally they would have done controlled burns and massive pruning for just this reason, to cut down the amount of fuel a fire would have. I will add that I suspect given how dry it has been there (1% humidity!), and the incredible wins, even if all that had been done I suspect the fires would have done incredible damage, but perhaps it would not be quite as bad (that can be debated). I am pretty sure that because of the winds and the heat/turbulence from the fire, that the lack of being able to use drop planes pretty would have doomed a lot of structures no matter what.

There definitely needs to be investigations into what happened, what started this all (was it a homeowners accident, was it set, etc) and also what were the contributing factors and what can we do going down the road to try and prevent this again (if even possible). Some might be simpler, like the brush cutbacks and having redundancy with the water supply (if that is true), some might involve techniques in fighting the fire, code changes where new construction has to be let’s say masonary buildings with metal roofs (the getty museum survived, in part because the building is masonary and the roof has gravel on it, so embers can’t burn it). One big contributing factor I don’t know how they can address, is the density of housing there, how close the houses are to each other.

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We live just outside the evacuation zone for the Eaton fire (Pasadena/Altadena). I just heard that my son’s calculus teacher (LA public school) lost her home in the fire.

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Several drone bloggers (‘dronies’?) say they know who he is. They also report that, IF he was using a typical commercial-style drone used for air photography, such a drone has to be registered with the FAA – so they know who he is, take a course to get a special drone-license, and have built-in SW which stops it from flying over restricted air space (which the fire zone is). The only way to get them to fly over restricted air space is the hack teh SW. Person will be in a world of hurt with the feds. Hope they also get sued in civil court.

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Our house is still standing. So that’s the good news.

However, one SIL’s friends who works at JPL lost his house Altadena. He’s a research technician; his wife is social worker–so this is not a wealthy couple. They have 2 elementary aged kids and have no idea of when/if they will be able to rebuild. Or even if they want to.

Having lived there until quite recently, we know so many people in the Altadena/Pasadena/Sierra Madre/Arcadia mandatory evacuation zone. We worry about them all.

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I have a friend out there whose husband was on their local water board for most of his adult life and he’s old now and off the board, but anyway. They live in Glendora, not near these fires. But when I was out there (2003) we talked about the water situation and honestly that was the first time I ever really paid attention to their dilemma out there.

Biden says intentional power outages to prevent more fires led to California water shortages

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5077659-biden-california-wildfire-water-shortage/

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Yes. As if it would be helpful to do so. :broken_heart:

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The Mayor, looking like a deer in headlights, is enabling the criticisms.

She should come out forcefully and say, ‘its not a lack of water, but distribution, i.e., pipes. No water system in the country is designed to open all of the hydrants at one time. That would require massive water pipes, multiple years of disruption to tear up the streets to lay them, and multi-billions of dollars, so let’s have that conversation with the City Council.’

Instead the Mayor says nothing actionable.

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Mayor Karen Bass is overwhelmed. As would any mayor (I think). This situation is unprecedented. The situation has been mercurial. Minute to minute it is changing. One neighborhood after another. Where should she be looking?

She’s trying to keep up with an everchanging catastrophe.

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I can’t imagine what it’s going to take to clean this up so rebuilding can occur. Where do they discard debris like this?

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They have Paradise, CA and Lahaina as very recent blueprints, sadly.

Lahaina’s demolition and clean-up is moving along and seems to have made big progress in the last 6 months. And with the logistical and supply issues they have in HI, I’d imagine that it will go much faster in Los Angeles.

Paradise is 7ish years out and much - but certainly not all - of it is rebuilt, with many new features and modifications to make it more fire-resistant.

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A few positive thoughts.

We are seeing some blue sky for the first time since the fires started. Even 30 miles south of the closest fire, still a smell of smoke and a layer of ash everywhere.

We had my kid and several friends/room mates here since Wednesday’s Sunset/Hollywood fire evacuation. My kid went back to their place last night as they have to go to work today. They report the air quality is much better today (so far) and the Sunset fire is contained.

I am heartened by the kindness and caring I see amongst my kid and their friends. They are all stressed and tired but really go out of their way to support each other. Offering rides, places to stay on couches and floors further from the fire zones, taking turns sleeping and monitoring the apps at night, working together to tape up leaky window seals and rig up DIY air filters.

We all are crossing our fingers that the winds stay manageable. And extending huge appreciation for all of our firefighters!

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Daughter in Santa Monica is less than a mile from the evacuation zone. We can see nearby streets we walked on when we visited her a couple of months ago that are now in the evacuation warning zone. She lives alone with her little dog in an apartment building, and is feeling pretty sick with COVID. She was crying when we talked with her last night, feeling overwhelmed. Of course, we suggested she come to stay with us, but we are on the other side of the country, and flying with active COVID is not a good idea. She is staying put for now, and says she has a friend somewhere out of the fire zone who could take her and her dog if necessary. And, she still has to telework and go to meetings! I’m feeling rather helpless right now. I sent her a delivery of chicken soup and some N95 masks…

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Bury it far and deep in the desert I imagine.

It sucks being sick, and dealing with overwhelming information at the same time doesn’t help one bit. Being far from family doesn’t help either.

I’m about 30 miles from SM, and honestly, I would drive up and drop off ANY supplies she might need or want. SM is my old home. Just ping me, and ask. Really.

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You are so sweet, thank you! People like you are the reason I still visit CC 8 years after my youngest graduated!

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Not to derail the thread, but “only 8?” :slight_smile: :rofl:

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New evacuation order in Granada Hills and 60 years old woman was arrest for arson near Leo Carrillo State Park. If people will not be stopped those fires will never end.

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All Granada Hills evacuation warnings have been lifted. Firefighters quickly got this fire under control and have been able to put down a number of smaller fires and hopefully will continue to be able to do so.

https://lafd.org/alert/all-warnings-lifted-brush-fire-01102025-inc0761

I encourage anyone in potentially impacted areas to consult and rely on local, official sources for evacuation and related orders and warnings.

The fire relating to the arrest mentioned above was quickly extinguished by firefighters.

The fires will end.

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