OOS students applying to UCs have a much lower yield–especially for the mid- to low-tier UCs. (For one thing, many are in denial thinking they will get financial or merit aid.) UCSC has to admit that many to get the percentage they are aiming for. Likely the pool applying to UCs from OOS has higher average stats.
That’s true of most OOS applicants to any state university,the yield is usually in the 10-30% range. The reality of paying OOS tuition to go to a public university in any state is a real factor in limiting yield.
I took a look at the 2017 Freshman admission data for Santa Cruz from the UC Infocenter Website:
Applicants::
In-state CA: 43473
OOS/International: 9496
Admitted::
In-state CA: 19814 (Acceptance Rate of 45.5%)
OOS/International: 7169 (Acceptance Rate of 75%)
Enrolled:
In-state CA: 3510 (Yield of 17.7%)
OOS/International: 538 (Yield of 7.5%)
So YES the UC’s will admit more OOS/International applicants (% wise) but their enrollment yield is much lower as noted by @Ynotgo.
Oops I guess I should adjust that OOS yield to something like 5-20%
If they shut this door, you open another door. If you can’t go to UC, go to State schools. They welcome all kids. UC System trains to be researchers, State Universities train to be professional.
“UC System trains to be researchers”
HUH?
UNDERGRADUATE UC students CAN become EITHER “professionals” OR researchers. Or what ever they want to be.
Going to a UC for an UNDERGRADUATE degree, which is what we are talking about on this thread, does NOT put a student on the path to become a “researcher” .Any more than going to ANY university that has graduate school programs.
get your facts straight.
@ServiceAcademy – your post #1247 is very misleading and incorrect. Please don’t make sweeping statements about a system you clearly don’t know or understand.
@katliamom : I went to State University and my Boyfriend is a researcher in UC Berkeley. My ex did his PhD in Berkeley so I had many chances to be in and out UC schools. You would see the different in their lecturing style and class structures. In UC Berkeley and any UC, the labs set up in a way you can stay in working on your research for a long term. They assign a lot of researches projects. Yes, you can work for businesses after school but I am talking about the large pupulation and the purpose of schools.
State University, they have the hand on projects and you can work for businesses right after school. State Uni kids still can do research but not strong.
For an example, you can’t find a lot of Nobel Prize professors in State Uni but there are more than 40 of them in UC Berkeley. That is one of the examples about researching purpose.
Just my 2 cents after years in both systems.
Your experience and anecdotal insights don’t change the fact that your statement is misleading, and incorrect.
Not in undergrad. While research projects are available, they are definitely not the norm for undergrad experience.
Not in undergrad, they do not.
@ServiceAcademy The vast majority of the people I know who attended a UC are professionals and not researchers. By the way it’s “Nobel Prize” professors, not “Noble Price”…
@katliamom well, you don’t belive info from the insider is your choice but the truth is still the truth.
You can find online any info like this:
- UC schools are more expensive.
- UC offers research oriented education.
- CSU offers education appropriate for professional positions that are not research oriented.
- CSU leans toward developing smaller class sizes.
- UC schools carry a better reputation.
- UC schools are a good choice for postgraduate studies. Undergraduate options are research orientated.
- Credits are not easily transferred between the two systems.
- CSU classes are more likely to be taught by a single, consistent professor.
In what way do ANY of the above facts – specious arguments among them – support your statement #1247 ?
Oh for the love of Pete.
Consider the source, folks. Given the level of writing ability, I think ServiceAcademy can be disregarded.
@ServiceAcademy @katliamom if you want to debate the pros and cons for the UC vs. CSU system, then please start a new thread.
Let’s move on and stick to the original topic of “students shutout of the UC system”. If not, then I will ask the Moderators to close this thread.
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@Gumbymom beat me to writing this. 
But actually, don’t start a new thread - move on. Per the forum rules, CC is not a debate society. Plus, one of the debaters is no longer active.
There was discussion earlier in this thread about whether students were shut out of all the UCs or just the more competitive ones. This article about UC Merced just came out so I thought it might be of interest in this thread https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/us/university-california-merced-latino-students.html?emc=edit_ca_20180720&nl=california-today&nlid=5992305520180720&te=1
Thanks for the great article on UC Merced. The newest campus with about 8 thousand students already…will continue to rapidly grow, improve, and be taken advantage of by many students that desire a University of California System school.