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<p>That is not what I posted and presuming so is inaccurate.</p>
<p>Balcony Boy- Luther was not considered a heretic because he questioned the sale of indulgences. Ultimately his theology stressed the following points, which are against Catholic dogma and doctrine- hence heretical in the Church’s eyes:
- No spiritual value to indulgences
- No Purgatory
- No transubstantiation
- Sola Scriptura instead of Scripture and Tradition. </p>
<p>There may be others- but these were the biggies that I remember without my first cup of coffee.</p>
<p>BrooklynbornDad- I totally agree that there are people of all faith traditions whose behavior and attitudes don’t change even when practicing their faith very piously. I also appreciated your thoughts on halacha and meta halacha as a comparison to the way Catholic statements of doctrine are developed. There are,indeed some similarities, if I understand your description correctly.</p>
<p>Pipmom touched on some points. His Marian theology was also distinctly heterodox with respect to the role of hyperdulia and intercessory prayer.</p>
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<p>Well, Luther did question what the church was doing like what I mentioned along with many other things. Do you really think God would approve paying for indulgences? Biblical it ain’t!</p>
<p>As far as I’m concerned, this conversation is over now that the only possibility of it continuing is a theological repartee of “No, you’re wrong!”</p>
<p>Seems you always quit when you can’t answer.</p>
<p>BalconyBoy, I do not agree with the Catholic church on many things - including the discussion of Luther’s heresy as it relates to his eternal salvation or lack thereof - but this is not the forum for an argument. There are some things that people sincerely believe, and a few posts on this thread won’t change minds. This has been a respectful thread, so it is probably best to respectfully realize that there are differing opinions (and only God knows the real truth).</p>
<p>BalconyBoy, make another thread. I will be more than happy to answer. I quit responding on a thread when you stop discussing things that can be addressed empirically and/or rationally (e.g., pure faith/mindless Bible-thumping, etc.), especially on in a discussion that has nothing to do with the OP. So, please, do us all a favor and continue this substantial discussion about Luther on a thread that you create devoted to discussing it. If you are unwilling to do so, please stop telling others that they “quit because they can’t answer,” which is completely false in every way imaginable and, I’m sure, in some that have not yet been conceived.</p>
<p>*Luther was a heretic in the eyes of the Catholic church because he questioned the direction the church was going (paying for indulgences, etc). That doesn’t make him a heretic in God’s eye and that is what counts. *</p>
<p>Good heavens…please know the facts before you post. </p>
<p>He was declared a heretic for teaching sola fide and sola scriptura.</p>
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<p>Along with the paying for indulgences.</p>
<p>I’ll start another thread.</p>
<p>Here it is.</p>
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<p>Anybody know if the Vatican is working on a plan to allow online confessions?</p>
<p>:) (leave it to shmaltz to give me my giggle for the day)</p>
<p>Just by way of lightening the conversation: I got a laugh from a very dry, very acadmic history of the Bible, when the author wrote that the “Immaculate Conception was commonly misunderstood by Protestants and ignorant Catholics”. The author was, of course, Catholic.</p>
<p>In the bad old days, when I used to go out for drinks after work, long about the 4th set of drinks I could start a fight at the bar by suddenly announcing that the Immaculate Conception had nothing to do with the Jesus being conceived by the Holy Spirit. Then I would sit back and watch a bunch of tipsy workers fight about it. Because no one can argue theology with as much intensity as someone who’s had too much to drink.</p>
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<p>Actually, this question has been officially addressed – physical proximity is irreplaceable.</p>
<p>Well, if you confess your sins directly to God through prayer, ya really don’t need to go anywhere!</p>
<p>Exception that that prayer happens in confession, obviously, in the case of some sins.</p>
<p>^^ What does that mean?</p>
<p>Sorry, the autocorrect on my phone garbles words occasionally, and I can cut some parts out.</p>
<p>It should read, “Except that prayer and absolution happens in confession.”</p>
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I was surprised by this statement–is this a serious claim, or was this sarcasm? I find it extremely difficult to believe, given that priests are human and have committed every other possible form of crime and chicanery that you can think of.</p>
<p>I would just note that if a priest learned of a bomb, and did not reveal it, and this later became known after the bomb killed a bunch of people, it would be devastating to the Catholic Church in this country, at least. Can a priest report something like this to his bishop?</p>