Can anyone help me calculate how many boxes I'll need?

<p>Wow. Thanks, everyone!</p>

<p>I did a google search for moving box calculator, and guess what came up as the number 1 result? This thread! Ha. That was fast.</p>

<p>The moving calculators I saw claimed that 1.5 linear feet of bookshelf space = 1 box, which sounded way too low for me, at least for smaller books. I happened to have an empty 12 X 13 X 18 box left over from a recent delivery, and found that I could fit 3 linear feet of paperback books in it. If somewhere around half my books are paperbacks and half are hardcovers (just a wild guess; I have no idea), then I’d probably need 70-80 boxes that size just for my books. Gulp. I did find a place online (Uline.com) that sells boxes in a wide variety of sizes for less than half of what places like Uhaul and Staples charge, so I’ve already ordered some, and will see how it goes before deciding how many more I need to order.</p>

<p>I do plan to use a mover (I haven’t even thought about which one yet; I figure I’ll ask friends in the NY/NJ area for recommendations), so I’m not too worried about the boxes being too heavy for them. Even I could lift the one I experimentally packed, so I’m sure they’ll have no problem, with their hand trucks and dollies and whatnot. Moving my books myself between NJ and NYC would take way more time than I have (unlike last time, when I was only moving a few miles, and J. was around to help carry things – he was only 10 back then, but was still extremely helpful as a loyal assistant!) And I would never even attempt to move furniture myself, since I’m definitely not the UHaul type – I’m a decent driver, but my reaction when I think of driving with anything attached to my car, let alone driving a rented truck, is that it’s not happening in this lifetime. I even used a mover last time, for what little furniture I took with me.</p>

<p>However, I do intend to do my own packing (so I can mark the boxes of books – and other stuff - by exactly which bookcases or file cabinets or other locations they came from, and because I wouldn’t trust the movers to do it the way I want). </p>

<p>The only things I plan to move myself this time are valuables, and the only books I would include in that category don’t add up to more than 20 or so linear feet. </p>

<p>But that doesn’t mean I have any plans to get rid of any significant portion of the rest of them (many of which have sentimental value, if not actual value), unless I have to. The apartment I applied for is a little smaller than my present one, but I haven’t yet had the opportunity to inspect it since the previous subtenants moved out, or to take precise measurements to figure out how many of my bookcases (and how much of the rest of my furniture) will fit, and where it can go. I’m hoping to be able to do that next weekend – assuming the co-op board hasn’t rejected me by then! – and J. will be home on spring vacation by that time and can accompany me.</p>

<p>It’s hard to explain why I don’t want to cull my books much, although a couple of posters in this thread do seem to understand how much it’s possible to love not simply the reading of books, but the fact of owning them. I was taught as a child that books, almost any books, are close to being sacred objects, and I still feel that way. To me, the question of whether I’m going to read a book again is entirely irrelevant to a decision on whether I’m going to keep it (even apart from the fact that that standard wouldn’t apply to the large numbers of reference books and other non-fiction books that I might want to refer to. Who needs the Internet?) </p>

<p>My books, and some of my other possessions, <em>are</em> me, in a way; they’re a roadmap to who I am for anyone who wants to look; a kind of exogenous skeleton that surrounds me and reflects me. I can’t imagine giving any of that up. What am I supposed to get rid of? My 40 feet of books about Jewish life and history? My art books? My genealogy books and journals? The books I’ve saved from my childhood? My old atlases and almanacs? Old baseball guides and reference books and programs and yearbooks dating back 100 years? 19th century etiquette books? Old yearbooks, and other books, about Yale and Harvard Law School and the U. of Chicago and the high schools my son and I went to? Old paperbacks with lurid cover art from the 40’s and 50’s, including, of course, lesbian pulp fiction? My old marriage manuals, and dating guides for teenagers, and scholarly works (originally sold only to people with medical degrees, of course!) by the likes of Havelock Ellis and Magnus Hirschfeld and Krafft-Ebing? All the cartoon collections that the New Yorker has published since the first one back in the late 1920’s? And so on. How could I give any of that up? I’d no more do that than I’d give up any of my antiquities collection, or my collections of old Japanese prints, and 16th and 17th century maps, and old movie lobby cards, and seashells saved from my childhood, and 19th century stereoscope cards, and 19th and 20th century political buttons and memorabilia, and all sorts of other things. (For anyone who’s planning to burglarize me, keep in mind that anything really valuable I own is in a safe deposit box!) </p>

<p>And even for fiction, even though it isn’t as if I collect first editions or anything like that, there’s still something very satisfying about looking at my bookshelves and seeing all the authors I’ve loved, and all their books (I tend to do that when I like an author – buy and read all their books in quick succession!), even if they’re all just inexpensive paperback editions. And it doesn’t matter to me if it’s Shakespeare, or Mark Twain, or Margaret Atwood, or T.C. Boyle, or people like Ed McBain and Ross MacDonald and Ian Rankin and Ruth Rendell and many others. </p>

<p>Very simply, I love knowing that I have all of my books, almost regardless of what they are – I won’t say that asking me to give up some of them is like asking me to choose between my children (if I had more than one), but it’s in the same universe! Eccentric? I’m sure. But what’s wrong with that?</p>

<p>And J. loves my books and other collections too, and looking through them, and the fact that I have them, and that I’ve kept them, and that they’ll all be his someday! (He likes to refer to it, collectively, as the “L— Museum and Library”!) His decision to major in art history, and his love of history and learning about the past in general, have obviously been influenced by the fact that my former spouse was an art history major and spent a number of years working in museums. But I think I have something to do with it, too. Just as my own love of history, and learning about the past, was influenced by my own parents, and one grandfather’s interest in genealogy, and my grandmother’s taking me to the Metropolitan Museum of Art so many times when I was a child.</p>

<p>And I’m sure that part of the reason that J. loves all my “stuff” is that it represents continuity to him, a reminder that I’m still the same person I always was, despite the major change in my life some years ago.</p>

<p>So, really, getting rid of my books isn’t even remotely analogous to finally disposing of my old clothing, whether to J. or otherwise. My books reflect who I am, in a way that will never change. The old clothing reflects what I used to be, or more accurately what I used to try to be and pretend to be, and I’d rather not be reminded of that any more than is absolutely necessary. </p>

<p>Of course, I’m not saying there aren’t a <em>few</em> books I could get rid of without regret. Maybe 10 feet or so, if I try really hard! </p>

<p>I’m afraid that won’t help much.</p>

<p>I do hope that I’ll be able to throw out a substantial amount of old papers and files. I really don’t think I need to keep bank statements and credit card statements and tax documents and health insurance records and the like from 10 years ago; some from 20 or more years ago. (I had to keep all that when I was going through my divorce, but that’s been over for more than 5 years now, and I can’t think of any reason why I need to save any of that that’s more than a few years old.) So at least I’ll be able to free up some space that way.</p>

<p>Thanks so much again for all the advice, and sorry for the rant about my books!</p>

<p>Donna, take a look and see if the prices are better than what you found; these can be ordered to be delivered to your place:</p>

<p>[Costco</a> - Housewares - Moving Kits](<a href=“http://www.costco.com/Common/Category.aspx?cat=21361&eCat=BC|89|1671|21361&whse=BC&topnav=&hierPath=89*1671*21361*&lang=en-US]Costco”>http://www.costco.com/Common/Category.aspx?cat=21361&eCat=BC|89|1671|21361&whse=BC&topnav=&hierPath=89*1671*21361*&lang=en-US)</p>

<p>You do not have to be a Costco memeber to buy from Costco online.</p>

<p>Sorry, I meant that I fit 6 linear feet of paperbacks in that box, not 3. It would probably fit 2-3 feet of hardcover books.</p>

<p>Donna - when D1 had her first move within Boston last September, we decided it was totally worth us paying for a mover than our going out there and helping her move (she was on a 3rd floor, moving to a second floor three blocks away). We were absolutely not familiar at all with any moving companies in Boston, so when we were at the apartment finder’s office co-signing the lease (this was pre-employment days for her, so we had to co-sign) a couple of months before the move, I flat out asked the owner of the company if he knew of any good local moving companies. He gave us the name of a company he had used himself and was very satisfied with. In fact, he asked that we use his name as a referral when we called them, so we were pretty confident with the referral. It worked out to be an excellent company… my daughter was so impressed; however, she’s a very organized person and they complimented her on being so organized when they arrived to start moving stuff (she boxed everything up herself). So leasing agent’s referral ended up working out well for us. When you find a new place, it’s something you might ask the leasing agent/landlord about… they see people moving in/out all the time and know who to avoid and who to recommend. Just a thought.</p>

<p>In our recent move, our real estate agent provided a service that came in, calculated the move requirements, and sent them out to moving companies for a bid, then gave us the bids to examine. The range was from $7000 to $22000, which is a huge range. (We had packed up a lot of our stuff over several months before.) If you can find a service like that, it would probably be worth paying for if you have a lot to move (and that many books is a lot). </p>

<p>I got rid of 17 boxes of books during our move (took them to Powell’s, “Earth’s Biggest Bookstone”). (That left us with about 40 boxes of books.) My criterion was “easy to replace, not likely to ever read again.” I found it ran about 3 feet of shelf space/box (I double-stack paperbacks) when I was re-shelving and organizing the books. You’ll need to make sure you have the space for that many bookshelves; an apartment that can hold that many books may cost you a lot in Manhattan!</p>

<p>Donna, as far as saving your old clothes for your son – you know that’s not going to work! Styles change, and the chances are good that he’ll want to get slightly different things. Of course, you won’t be able to see the difference between your old kakhis and the ones he wants, but he’ll see it!</p>

<p>Congratulations on taking a wonderfully positive step forward.</p>

<p>God. Even $7,000 sounds like an enormous sum to pay just to move across the Hudson River. I had no idea.</p>

<p>Maybe you’re right, Very Happy. But a shirt is a shirt, right? And a couple of tweed sports jackets from Brooks Brothers should never go out of style. The suits, and the ties, he’ll probably turn down, since even at 19 he probably can’t imagine being in a situation where he’d have to wear them on a regular basis. Maybe he could pick out one suit, just in case. He already has my old winter topcoat, and a couple of windbreakers, and the few oxford cloth button-down shirts he’s ever had to wear came from me. He already appropriated all my comfortable old flannel shirts years ago. Some of which I’d had since I was his age! Too bad, really. There’s no reason I couldn’t still wear some of them myself. He also has all my old blue jeans, although they’re probably not nice enough for his tastes. They really don’t fit me anymore, because of certain changes in the way my body is shaped. </p>

<p>I know that this must all sound weird to people, but I would have given my old clothes away anyway, so why not give him the opportunity first to take what he wants? The problem is that after five years, he still hasn’t decided. Now, he has to.</p>

<p>I’m scheduled to have my interview with the co-op board later this week. I’ve never had that kind of interview before, and it’s been 15 years since I had an interview of any kind. So, we’ll see. I imagine I’ll find out soon thereafter, and I hope they approve me, because I have no real second choice right now.</p>

<p>we re-decorated extensively last summer - moving might have been easier! but we got tons of very good boxes from wine stores - since they can hold 12 full glass bottles they can hold books - just don’t over pack!!</p>

<p>I had to do few co-op interviews to rent and buy. They could ask almost anything they want. They could reject for any reason and will not have to justify their decision.</p>

<p>For rent what they care about:

  1. ability to pay.
  2. not disruptive - few parties, no regular major gatherings at your apartment, son only visits every once in a while(of course, your son would not throw a party at your house).
  3. will not sublet or let random people come stay at your place while you are away.
  4. if you don’t have a pet, don’t talk about thinking about having one later.
  5. I think you are a lawyer - tell them you are the easy going type, and not going to sue them for every little thing.</p>

<p>No matter what kind of interview, less is more (only give out personal information when directly asked, and only to the point of what’s being asked).</p>

<p>As far as clothes or any personal belongings(not sentimental ones) - get rid of them, they are just stuff. When you tell someone that you want them to have something, it’s putting guilt and burden on that person. When you are closed to someone, you don’t need a lot of their things to remind you of them.</p>

<p>Fortunately, pets are permitted; I had to describe my cat on my application. Hopefully they won’t want to interview him, too!</p>

<p>Donna L:</p>

<p>After reading about your book collection and your love of the books, I have to say - it reads like something I might have written. I love pulling out my copy of Ball Four, seeing the smudge of blue paint on the spine where I got sloppy repainting my room as a teenager and flashing back to that room. Get rid of it - not in a million years.</p>

<p>About the clothes: keep the ties only if they’re very good quality. Keep the shirts only if they’re in perfect condition. Ditto the suits, jackets, etc. Have them dry-cleaned or laundered and store them in cotton (like a pillowcase), not in plastic dry-cleaning bags. If you do that, you’ll probably only have one or two boxes of clothes, and it won’t be a big deal, and your son won’t have to decide right away.</p>

<p>My son, age 23, just scarfed up a whole bunch of my husband’s old ties–which he’d turned down about three years ago. Nothing like earning your own paycheck to make you see the value of these things. </p>

<p>Often it is less expensive to replace something (if you want to, that is) than it is to move it. Keep only things you really really like. As for old papers, there are legal guidelines on what you have to keep, and it’s always a good idea to get rid of anything you wouldn’t want your kids or friends to sort through after you get hit by a bus.</p>

<p>When my mother died (in 2003), I was amazed by how much stuff (trash) she had stored in her 400-square-foot apartment. Many of the boxes clearly hadn’t been opened since the '50s. I have no idea why she kept all that! She may have hoped it would be useful to a historian, but it went off to be destroyed. Old, torn clothes she hadn’t worn in ten years. Broken furniture. It gave me a changed outlook on all the garbage I was keeping around because I didn’t want to get rid of it. </p>

<p>The most recent move, I’d say we got rid of half of what we owned before the moving truck came. It was quite liberating. Even now, unpacking stuff, I’m still putting aside about a box a week for Goodwill.</p>

<p>I don’t know if anyone has ever watched that TV show called “Hoarders.” It’s pretty frightening. I’ve known people like that.</p>

<p>I saw the credit report the board ordered on me, in addition to the one I gave them myself. The scores are just fine on both. But this one lists my old name, as an “a/k/a.” I’m really quite upset about it. And anxious about how they’ll react. I hate this. Hate it. It’s one thing to talk about my past sometimes on these boards. Real life is an entirely different matter.</p>

<p>Donna—if they ask about the AKA name, just tell people that you were doing a project on whether you got treated differently when using a man’s name.</p>

<p>No, I would probably tell the truth that that was once my name. Oh what a tangled web we weave, etc.</p>

<p>Oh no… there has to be a way to get that expunged… My closest TG friend was blessed with a gender-neutral name, along the lines of “Shannon,” but there’s still the middle name to deal with (his was “Elizabeth”)… How frustrating.</p>

<p>If they reject your application, let me know via PM what building it was and I’ll form a troupe to dye all their little lapdogs bright pink…</p>

<p>To anyone from the building reading this: please don’t worry; I am not a threat to your lapdogs. I don’t know this dangerous radical!</p>

<p>Donna, start getting the boxes now. You can look for used moving boxes. You will likely need the smaller boxes for books since they are so heavy. But get some of the boxes and start packing the books. That will give you a good idea as to how many boxes you need.</p>

<p>My son has a terrific apartment in Washington Hts that I wouldn’t mind having myself. Right off 181st and Wash Hts road. Let me know if you need help moving. I can probably get you some muscle. And I’ll bring the coffee, meal and dessert. You provide the wine.</p>

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<p>LOL. Now I can add “dangerous radical” to my list of personal attributes! ;)</p>

<p>Donna, once they see that your credit score is fine, they might just rush on past any a/k/a business. Besides, aren’t credit reports notoriously rife with errors? I betcha a dollar it never comes up.</p>