Case Western [$34k] vs. Scripps [$67k] vs. Northeastern [$75k, Oakland start] for premed

Actually this is wrong and @tsbna44 is wrong too. Sorry :pensive_face:.
To get to LECOM EAP student needs simultaneously apply to both LECOM and BS school. Acceptances are independent. But you need both. LECOM has limited numbef of sДаts per school. You need to attend affiliated school. I am not sure does LECOM have a total limit. I think it does. There is also an option to join LECOM program as a freshman or sophomore if you are at affiliated school and there are sports there (and you are chosen by LECOM). Then there is an option to get to LECOM after graduation like any other medical school.
Because of the above situation, usually students apply to 2-3 LECOM affiliated schools and LECOM as early as possible in senior year of High School.

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This is the usual path for those wanting the LECOM BS/DO admission.

Although, as noted, a student can try to apply to the LECOM BS/DO as a freshman or sophomore in college.

Regardless. This student isn’t asking about this LECOM program at.all. So this is all probably getting off topic.

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The student doesn’t like Case (the distance, the large classes) and the student is 100% set on med school and right away.

So it’s a possibility the student was likely unaware of that might help them fulfill goals.

Sometimes it’s ok to introduce info one isn’t aware of in case it might fit their needs better. Certainly, more info never hurts. Anyone can always discard it.

I think some people on this board decided that LECOM DO is an easy medical school path. It is not. There are ton of hoops with not a guaranteed outcome (You need to pay for LECOM affiliate, you have to choose natural science major, you need to “love” that affiliated school, you need to be able to register for required classes -problem for DD, you need to fulfill all requirements for the school, LECOM, and major in 4 years, etc. ) Otherwise everyone would do it. That is why I told long time ago to people stop to promote LECOM to everyone. It is very niche. It doesn’t work for 90% of top students who want to go to medical school. Not top students will not survive in that program. Remember, you can’t apply out and you can’t go for top specialties. And top students are not interested to study in mostly religious schools in the middle of nowhere.

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Let’s return to the OP’s question

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I don’t think there is much more discussion is needed OP’s question. Out of the three choices, only Case is affordable. For $34K, Case is the best deal, like it or not. It is about the same price for CSU in state. I have to pay $42K for S24 to attend UC in state. Even taking gap year, I doubt OP can get in any school much cheaper than that. Good Luck.

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And not only is it a bargain price with mega scholarships (showing how much they want OP), Case Western is awesome, especially for students interested in Medicine and Health.

  • @smith1223 you applied because you liked and wanted CWRU. The bad weather kinda erased that now but

    Can you remind yourself what they were?
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I grew up in Cleveland. Really, the weather isn’t all that awful. Yes, there is winter. But the fall and spring are gorgeous. CWRU does a great job of dealing with the snow.

Cleveland flies under the radar as a city
but it has a lot to offer.

And should you decide to switch gears while in college, CWRU has many other areas of study.

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I do really like Scripps though and I have a lot of family in the area and most of my friends are staying in California, so would that make the extra loans worth it? I was talking to my counselor and he said that if I am already going to go to medical school then I will have loans anyway, so maybe I should just spend more money now and go to the school that I want to go to you know.

Sure, instead of paying $4,000 a month, why not $5,000.

hmmmmm - no - that’s a horrible thought. It’s going to be hard enough to pay back loans, on a residents salary, etc. to begin with.

Don’t forget, when you borrow money- not only is there interest but there is fees - so you are borrowing less principal than you have to pay back.

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If I am doing the math correctly, the extra loans come to $132,000. This is a LOT of debt for a bachelor’s degree. This however understates the true magnitude of the extra debt because interest charges will increase the size of this extra debt by a LOT before you ever manage to pay it off.

No. This is not worth it. You really do not want to take on this much debt.

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:shaking_face:

This is wildly irresponsible advice. Your counselor should get out of the college advising business. Is he offering to cosign $130K in loans for you? Talk is cheap. Maybe you’ve been bemoaning how much you want to go to Scripps for a month now, and he’s weary of it and just feeling like, “Fine, take out loans for Scripps then.” But he’s not only an adult but a professional who is supposed to protect your best interests, and he should know better.

If you take on six figures of debt because you “want to have a fun time in college,” future you will be trading future fun for loan payments.

And don’t idealize Scripps just because it’s financially unattainable. Plenty of people are unhappy there. No college exists where everyone is happy.

WayOutWestMom’s suggestion of UNM was an excellent one. (Have you submitted any new applications since starting this thread?) Mild weather, good work-life balance that will allow you to have fun, great premed opportunities, and a cost that’s even cheaper than CWRU.

Bottom line: either go to CWRU, or seek a more affordable alternative.

Of course, nobody here can stop you from taking on $130K debt for undergrad. But I hope you don’t.

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I definitely get that but even my dad and my friends were telling me that I could make more money when i’m older so I might as well pick a school that I like more. I’m just worried that i’ll be unhappy at cast western and that I’ll wish I would have spent the money to go to scripps where i know the area and know i’ll like it there basically.

Make sure that you and your dad both like the idea of your moving back home to save money after college, while you’re paying back not $130K, but 130K plus interest, which could easily total $200K or more.

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I haven’t submitted any new applications because I feel like if I can’t go anywhere else then i’ll just have to suck it up and go to Case Western and hope it isn’t as bad as I am thinking it will be. Thank you for being realistic with your advice though, it is very helpful!

I don’t think you have to suck it up to go to Case it’s a leader.

In the off chance you do become a Dr, many will likely make less in the future. Many already make less today. They are now employees instead of owners in many cases.

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There’s a law being passed capping loans to a certain lifetime amount. If you take the loans now you won’t be able to pay for medical school. So, it’ll be EITHER Scripps OR Medical School.
(In addition, student borrowers who had loan reimbursement pending - something that was generally extended for the federal loans or even forgiven if you joined a service profession like teaching- will now see their wages directly garnished, which means huge chunks of their paychecks will now go toward paying the loans. If their paycheck isn’t sufficient, ie., if their whole paycheck they counted on to live, isn’t enough to pay back the monthly loan amount, they’ll lose their driver’s license and all sorts of things are being listed as consequences.)
All in all, federal loans are capped to 27k (31k after 4 years with interest) because that’s how much a college graduate can expect to be able to pay back over 10 years (ie., you’d be 30-32 when you’re done.)
Add the changes planned for student borrowers: borrowing more than 100k is financial suicide.
Don’t do it.

Also, Case may not be in CA but it is awesome. :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
You’ll have a ball AND learn a lot AND won’t be constantly worried about loans.

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Is your counselor offering to pay all these loans off?

And you don’t know whether you will be going to medical school
or not.

Please, pick an affordable undergrad school that you like, and where you feel you will be happy to be for four years.

Take medical school out of the equation right now
except to remember it will cost $100,000 a year or so if you get there in the future.

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It will take you YEARS to earn more money. Years. Medical school will net you zero income. Then you will have residency for at least 2 years, and could be a LOT more years depending on the specialty. Then you could have a fellowship of 1-2 years. Believe me, for the hours you will be working at residency and fellowship, you will barely be earning minimum wage per hour. So
you are looking at 4 years of undergrad, plus 4 years of medical school, plus 2-7 years of residency, plus 1-2 years of fellowship. That’s 7-13 years “after” you get your bachelors.

And doctor incomes are changing. Many physicians are now hired by private health agencies, and all of those are looking to reduce the pay of doctors.

@WayOutWestMom what did I miss.

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If you truly can’t countenance being happy at Case Western Reserve (keeping in mind this is based mostly on weather) DO apply to UNM ASAP (good weather, guaranteed, and even lower cost than CWRU).

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