<p>Mom2M, my heart breaks for her too.</p>
<p>I haven’t followed this case at all, except that I know it’s going on and causing lots of social media talk. But what I saw on the news really bothered me: Casey cries while the jury is in court, but only when the jury is there. Those are the things that points to her culpability, but too bad the jury doesn’t see that. I hope the judge notices.</p>
<p>Cindy Anthony might well be the reason that Casey doesn’t get the DP. Hard for any parent not to feel for her. Casey evokes no sympathy at all.</p>
<p>I don’t know if this has been touched on but this irked me yesterday:</p>
<p>Why was there a discrepancy between the last sighting of Caylee by the parents in their original statement and what happened in reality? Yesterday they said they originally thought Caylee had not been seen since June 9th, even though it was later found out to be June 15th or whatever Father’s Day was on that year. </p>
<p>Also, how did Casey convince her mom that there was a nanny named Zanny? Her mom seemed to be obsessed over her new granddaughter from what has been seen in testimony so far. It doesn’t sit right with me that she believed her pathologically lying daughter (I’m sure she was a liar in HS and such) and trusted her judgment in the long run. She seemed to want to micromanage Caylee’s care a little more than that. </p>
<p>I think the whole family knows what happened though, and none of them are completely innocent of everything, whether it be in connection with Caylee’s death or lying to law enforcement or in their depositions or in the courtroom. It’s tragic to watch, but boy is this one trainwreck of a trial, from the attorneys to the judge to the people involved on all sides. Good thing they have a dessert lady to keep the jury calm in the afternoon.</p>
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<p>Aye, there’s the rub. That’s the thing with pathological liars; they lie so effortlessly, in exactly the same way that most people tell the truth effortlessly, that they aren’t suspected of lying even when the things they say are highly unlikely. If you or I lie, we think, “I shouldn’t be saying this because it’s not true,” which translates into the subtle facial expressions, body language, and vocal cues that tip people off. That’s why we can’t get away with lying all the time. People like Casey Anthony don’t do that; they lie the same way they tell the truth, and there’s no way to distinguish a lie except when contrary facts pile up too high to be ignored.</p>
<p>My aunt is lifelong cocaine addict. She will lie and steal to feed her habit, and family members repeatedly fall for her tricks, because we love her and want to believe that she’s not as bad as we fear. I imagine it’s similar with Cindy Anthony and her daughter.</p>
<p>Yes. I have a pretty good antennae for liars but when I saw the tape of Casey talking to her mom while in jail and describing the fictitious nanny, I was really thrown. She was not just convincing, she seemed to have herself convinced that she was real. She described details in a way that led you to believe that they were truly real. And yet she didn’t go overboard, which is often a give away with a liar. Amazing.</p>
<p>She had to be adept at lying to be able to leave her home in her work uniform for two and a half years and go to a nonexistent job. I still can’t figure out how she carried on that charade for so long. How did she explain away the paycheck? This woman did not just lie, she lived a lie. She lived in a fantasy world and it was no cartoon or theme park or movie.</p>
<p>*Yesterday they said they originally thought Caylee had not been seen since June 9th, even though it was later found out to be June 15th or whatever Father’s Day was on that year.
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<p>no REAL discrepancy. They knew that the last time they saw Caylee was the day after Father’s Day. At first, they thought Father’s Day was the weekend before the 15th. Once they looked at a calendar and saw that FD was July 15th, they corrected themselves. </p>
<p>Also, how did Casey convince her mom that there was a nanny named Zanny? Her mom seemed to be obsessed over her new granddaughter from what has been seen in testimony so far.</p>
<p>This has always been the mystery. We’re not certain when Casey FIRST mentioned the name Zany to her mom. Casey would have friends babysit Caylee when her parents couldn’t. There’s some evidence that Casey started mentioning Zany around spring of that year. What’s odd is that Cindy never asked her for any contact info about Zany. However, Cindy was a person who worked 50 hours per week and was overwhelmed herself.</p>
<p>She had to be adept at lying to be able to leave her home in her work uniform for two and a half years and go to a nonexistent job.</p>
<p>She didnt’ have a “work uniform”, like you’d expect a Universal Employee to have. She had a name lanyard (from working there previously). Casey created the perfect job for herself…an event planner…which was more of an “office job”. That allowed her to “work from home” (ha ha) during the day, and dress nicely for “work at night” (when she was really going to parties and clubbing). </p>
<p>this fake job was perfect for her lies. It meant that she didn’t have to be away from home 40+ hours per week to look like she had a job or find someone to watch Caylee for most of that time. She would “work from home” (fake) during the day, and then when she did have fun plans, she would say that she had “an event” that night so that C&G would babysit.</p>
<p>I am new to watching this case carefully (teacher- now off for the summer)- everything I’ve read here is fascinating. It makes me wish Court TV was still on. Where do you all get the day to day info? And is there a good place to read up on the history of the case to date?</p>
<p>Headline News Network. Nancy Grace is obsessed!</p>
<p>Court TV is now truTv and they are broadcasting the trial every day.</p>
<p>I’m curious about Casey’s car. Her story is that she abandoned it in that parking lot when it ran out of gas – is that right? I’ve run out of gas a couple of times in my life and it’s always along side the road as I’m heading for a gas station, not sure why she’d pull into a parking lot. Also did police confirm that the car was actually out of gas? And who did she call ( and when) to pick her up from the parking lot after she abandoned the car? </p>
<p>I’m not sure anyone believes the defense’s version of her father’s involvement, but even if they considered it, the biggest problem in my mind is believing that the father would not have come forward with it before allowing his daughter to spend that much time in jail and be tried with the death penalty hanging over her head. No, I can’t swallow that Casey’s father would have allowed things go this far.</p>
<p>@cartera45 funnily enough on HLN the team of lawyers there were talking about the fact that they didn’t think Baez was experienced enough to be handling a capital case. This was right after court was recessed for the day, and he called! they said they had just gotten a call from Jose Baez who was watching the show and he said he has been the attorney on like 20 jury cases, 17 homicide cases and 2 capital cases. According to HLN this made him qualified. </p>
<p>Anyway, I missed the whole first hour of today’s trial hearing did anyone mention what the “legal” issue was Saturday morning that recessed the court for the whole day, before even starting that day’s testimony?!</p>
<p>Three state psychologists examined Casey Anthony over the weekend and deemed her competent to continue with her first degree murder trial.</p>
<p>The request for the competency review came from Anthony’s own lawyer, the judge said.</p>
<p>That was the issue that caused the recess on Saturday.</p>
<p>I believe it was the issue of Casey’s competence to proceed. She was examined by three psychologists over the weekend and it was determined that she is, indeed, competent to proceed. The reports were entered into the record without any details of what was reported being revealed.</p>
<p>It’s interesting to me that, unlike many high-profile cases where the defendant is a male who has been charged with a heinous crime against a family member or significant other, no big name trial lawyer was itching to get this case. Mr. Baez seems barely competent and reading about his experience, or lack thereof, makes me question the quality of defence Casey Anthony is receiving.</p>
<p>She may not be psychotic but is a psychopathic liar.</p>
<p>I agree that the one whose competence should be questioned is Baez. </p>
<p>Sadly, the representation Casey is getting is heads and tails above what many defendants get. The quality of defense counsel for those who are not wealthy is often abominable. That is one reason I cannot support the death penalty. We are all witness to the stumbling and bumbling in this high profile case. At least Baez is awake and sober. Some don’t even get that.</p>
<p>She could resolve the whole matter by taking the stand and telling everyone exactly what happened. I’m no lawyer, but I think she could even strike a plea bargain at this late date. If she doesn’t do that, and she ends up getting fried…well…I guess I’d feel a little bad, but not too bad.</p>
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All he needs to do is let the jury have ANY kind of doubt of her guilt, then she won’t get convicted. With so many theories of what happened to the little girl that that isn’t all that hard.</p>
<p>Drowned? Choroform? Left in car? Was it the mother? The BF? You name it: Casey Anthony is guilty, but of what is the big unknown.</p>
<p>I think that doubt will keep her from getting the death penalty, not enough evidence for first degree, premeditated murder. But the child died due to either neglect or active “intervention.” I do not see the jury letting her off scott-free. I think they will find that she is guilty of the death of her daughter, whether it be neglect, manslaughter, etc.</p>