Casey Anthony?

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<p>* Even the grandmother’s claim to have looked up chloroform herself repeatedly when she was supposedly at work just doesn’t seem true. *</p>

<p>And…the prosecution is now pouring over her work records that day to see if she had any computer entries that day to show that she really was at work. They can also check her cell phone pings to find out where she was that afternoon.</p>

<p>If the prosecution can show that Cindy really was at work or that she was elsewhere (cell phone pings), that will blow that whole lie up.</p>

<p>I find it hard to believe that Caylee actually died in the car. It’s a possibility, but it’s just not sitting with me. I feel like Casey would have just left her home, why bother to take her with her at all-- especially with all the (rightful) hype about infants dying after being left in cars, I mean goodness she lived in Florida-- it wouldn’t have taken chloroform to kill a baby left in the trunk of a car in Florida all day</p>

<p>She couldn’t just leave her at home, because her mom would have found out that she left Caylee unattended when the mom got home from work.</p>

<p>No…I didn’t mean that Casey intended to leave her in the trunk “all day”. I meant that she did it at night…maybe parked in an apt parking garage or shady area…but then found Caylee dead the next morning.</p>

<p>The issue was that she wanted to spend the night with her BF, but the BF wouldn’t allow Caylee to spend the night, too. Casey tried to find someone to babysit, but couldn’t. </p>

<p>Or…maybe the pool accident did happen in my first thought scenario. But, it doesn’t explain why she was so calm at the video store later.</p>

<p>and…lastly…if it truly was an accident, the Casey would not have sat in jail for 3 years,…her atty would have been constantly complaining to the DA that it was an accident.</p>

<p>The defense is now trying to do a CYA because they have pics of themselves at the scene of where Caylee’s body was found…BEFORE the body was found. That suggests that Casey told them where the body was, and they were preparing a plea deal…but then the body WAS found too soon for the plea deal to happen. they are claiming that a psychic told them that the body was there, so they went there.</p>

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<p>I understood that Caylee’s body was found not far from the Anthonys’ home, in which case maybe it wasn’t too unusual that the defense or anyone else might look there.</p>

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<p>^^^</p>

<p>True…but the area is a very large wooded area…spreading down a long street and very deep…yet the pic of themselves is super close to where the body was found. It’s not like the area was the size of a house lot…it’s a very large area…so why would they happen to be standing “right there”??? </p>

<p>The problem was that at the time of initial searches, that area was under water because of either a hurricane or tropical storm (Fay???) that hit that area with a ton of rain. Because of that water, it’s believed that the water may have moved the body a bit from where Casey initially dumped it. And…it’s why that leg bone was found under 4 inches of silt/humus.</p>

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<p>2 things I notice:

  1. They sure have her dressed dumpy for court. Party pics show a hot young woman with a fine figure, imo. Not that I would expect her to dress for a nightclub while in court, but she is SO much the “plain Jane”. Is that a strategy?</p>

<p>2) I admit I haven’t watched every minute of trial, but what I find so compelling toward her guilt is the way the defense is handling this. What I mean by that is telling of the accidental drowning, and years of sex abuse by dad and brother, then Cindy, who’s records show she was at work claims to have looked up chloroform, and defense forensic experts that made determinations without inspecting the evidence first-hand, and, and, and, I’m sure if I thought harder I’d remember more examples. It seems to me this is a defense willing to throw out any and every possible defense in hopes that just 1 juror will be confused enough to buy it. The defense has said everthing but extra-terrestrials did it.
If I were a juror it would appear to me they were throwing out so many attempts that I would suspect they were just grabbing at straws, and I would be likely to think the reverse- that she has no real defense because she is guilty.</p>

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<p>"that she has no real defense because she is guilty. "…totally agree…</p>

<p>btw, so not following this, but was there ever a plea deal on the table or did the prosecution go directly for murder one from the start??</p>

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<p>I think Caylee could have died in the car – and perhaps because of the heat rather than any drugs Casey gave her to make her sleep.</p>

<p>What if Casey had left her sleeping (under the influence of something) in the car on other occasions – not in the trunk, but in her carseat – when she went on dates? And what if she got away with it? A child would not necessarily die if she was left in a car with open windows after dark – not even in Florida. </p>

<p>Perhaps Casey tried the same thing on the day after Father’s Day in 2008, but she didn’t get away with it on that occasion because (1) the sun goes down a lot later in June than it does earlier in the year, and (2) her date that night started relatively early (she was spotted in a Blockbuster with the guy, without Caylee, at about 8 p.m., which is before sunset in mid-June).</p>

<p>Casey couldn’t just leave Caylee sleeping at home because her home was with her parents, who probably would have noticed if Casey left the child unattended in the house overnight. </p>

<p>There’s a site where someone with a strong interest in the trial has plotted out everything that’s known to have happened, including Casey’s cell phone records, for the 31 days that Caylee was missing. It’s full of information that may be helpful – like the fact that Casey was at Blockbuster at 8 p.m. and that there were three likely sightings of her with Caylee earlier in the day, with the latest being at about 4 p.m. at a WalMart. Google “Casey Anthony 31 days” and you’ll find it.</p>

<p>Based on the information on that site, I think that a reasonable hypothesis is that Casey drugged Caylee and left her in the car some time between 4 p.m. and 8 p.m. – which was way too early for a kid to be left in a car in Florida in June – and that Caylee died either from the drugs or the heat later in the evening, while Casey was with the guy she was dating.</p>

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<p>I actually stayed up until 5 in the morning last night reading that. That is part of what confused me-- I was under the impression she had moved out by then, she was telling people she had but the information was sort of mixed-- though I do think she WAS staying with Tony after that day she disappeared. I guess that is a possibility then. Reading that, I was wondering what was up with the car. That was the part that caught my attention. That, and the fact that she was very obviously lying to her friends about zanny the nanny before Caylee was even reported missing. Someone asked her where Caylee was and she launched into a longwinded explanation of how she knew Zanny and how much she was trusted when the person she was talking to was already changing the subject, and she didn’t answer any of the completely routine questions he asked in the first place. It doesn’t surprise me that she launched into the halfbaked Zanny story when the police became involved-- that was the halfbaked story her parents had been eating up for a month, by then she was locked into that story. </p>

<p>This is certainly a gripping case. Casey reminds my family a lot of my older sister-- she’s just like her. Though, thankfully, my sister seems to adore all five of her kids. But the pathological lying like she breathes, stealing money from friends and family, borrowing stories from other peoples lives, seems completely oblivious to any of the bad things she’s doing, sounds like my sister. Some people are having a hard time believing Casey could really be THAT consistently evil and conniving, but when you’ve lived with it it’s pretty easy to imagine-- my sister made false abuse accusations, too. With my sister, sometimes I’ve wondered if she really believed her stories were true, even though many of them were completely preposterous (she was an Olympic gymnast once, you know)-- she says now that sometimes she doesn’t remember what’s really true anymore. It’s scary to think of how many Casey Anthony’s are probably out there. I just hope someday we find out what really happened. I doubt we’ll ever hear it from Casey, she may not remember what really happened anymore, either.</p>

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<p>The meter reader who found the body is testifying now. How can any mother sit completely emotionless while hearing that he poked a metal stick through the eye socket to lift it a bit so see if it was what he thought it was. I don’t care how long it had been and if I had heard it 1000 times before, I would not look like I was bored to death. </p>

<p>I just want to scream at the defense attorney doing the examination to get on with it. He is a bit of a bumbler and tries my patience.</p>

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<p>*btw, so not following this, but was there ever a plea deal on the table or did the prosecution go directly for murder one from the start?? *</p>

<p>Supposedly, the defense was putting together a plea deal in late November/early Dec …and then the body was found. The plea deal was supposed to include telling where the body was. Once the body was found, the defense didn’t have a bargaining chip left.</p>

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<p>^^got it; thanks for clarifying…IMO this needs to be over; too many people lying just to save the inevitable…</p>

<p>Personally, I don’t think they will get the death penalty conviction that’s why I was asking…</p>

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<p>Can someone clarify for me…not sure how this works…</p>

<p>She is being tried as a death penalty case…but is that the ONLY option to convict or not for the death penalty? Can she be found either guilty of something else or even if guilty of murder but not with the death penalty?</p>

<p>In my view, I would not want her to get the death penalty because I don’t believe in it (but don’t want to start a debate about that but just stating my position). But besides not believing in it, not sure they can prove exactly how the child died but I think they have enough to convict her of crimes to do with the child’s death. I just don’t think she will get the death penalty but I hope there are other options for convictions and for penalties such as life in prison in this case.</p>

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<p>^^soozie: I think (and hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong) the death penalty assumes pre-meditation of the crime; there are other options for the jury if they find her guilty? I imagine…but again, not sure…</p>

<p>because this is Florida, federal rules may not apply so, honestly, I’m not 100% sure…</p>

<p>but the whole “beyond a reasonable doubt” issue is what is making this case a farce; all the defense is doing is presenting evidence to try to get the jury to “question” what is staring them straight in the face…and everyone that they are putting on the stand is obviously lying through their teeth to save Casey from the death penalty…that was why I wondered if there was a plea deal discussed for murder in the 2nd or 3rd degree (again, not sure what the options were/are)…</p>

<p>would have saved everyone ALOT of time and money…</p>

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<p>If anyone is watching and you see hands come through the courtroom and start to strangle the defense attorney currently doing the questioning, they are mine.</p>

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<p>The jury can find her guilty of lesser crimes. It is not “death penalty first degree murder or nothing.”</p>

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<p>I have heard news reporters speculate that Casey will not testify. She has the option, of course, as the lawyers work for her. Their speculation is based on the idea that if she doesn’t testify and loses the case, she is more likely able to get an appeal based on poor representation. If she testifies and loses, then she’d have a much tougher road.</p>

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<p>I really hope she doesn’t get acquitted. Accidental or not, she still murdered her own little girl. I’m not sure I’m thrilled with the ‘death penalty’, but she shouldn’t just be freed without doing SOME time.</p>

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<p>Let’s remember, if she were convicted today, and if she were sentenced to death tomorrow, the execution would not be the next day. There would be years of appeals.</p>

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<p>*I think (and hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong) the death penalty assumes pre-meditation of the crime; *</p>

<p>NO…you can have the DP for felony murder. That is when a death occurs during the commission of a felony. Such as…you have no intention of killing anyone, you go into a bank to rob it, you end up killing the teller. That’s Felony Murder…you can get the DP for that. No pre-med occurred.</p>

<p>If you do felony child abuse to a child and the child dies, that’s felony murder. In Casey’s case, it could mean that she drugged the kid with chloroform to knock her out, but she died. It’s felony murder because it’s a felony to use chloroform on a child.</p>

<p>As for pre-med…this is also often misunderstood. Pre-med does not mean that you have to have “planned for days” or anything like that. Pre-med can occur in seconds/minutes. Going into a room, opening a drawer, pulling out a gun, and killing an innocent person can be pre-med in certain circumstances…even tho the “plan” to kill occurred rather quickly.</p>

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<p>Something that was said today by the brother Lee reminded me of something that I had forgotten about this case. </p>

<p>Normally, when someone goes missing, the family understands that the searchers have to look for a “live” person and possibly a “dead” person. The Anthonys would get VERY angry if anyone did anything to look for a dead Caylee…such as search lakes, fields, etc. </p>

<p>The Anthonys were so certain that Caylee was alive (possibly from denial, possibly from Casey’s lies), that they would just explode at anyone who was searching in areas where a live child would not be.</p>

<p>When Equusearch came to help find Caylee, the Anthonys totally turned against them because they were including searches in areas that you would only find a dead child. Equusearch Founder Tim Miller’s own D was abducted and killed, so he started this search group years ago. </p>

<p>Today, on the stand, Lee mentioned how angry he was at his mom (sometime in Oct/Nov) because he believed that his mom was now considering searching an area that would mean that Caylee was dead. </p>

<p>This family is bizarre. no one wants to find a dead missing family member. But, who wants to skip looking in fields/lakes where the body may be…just so that they can continue to look for a live child? Who would want to prolong the search if she’s dead and her body can be found???</p>

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<p>They can get her on Murder One which is premeditation and death penalty. they can get her on Murder in the 2n degree, no death penalty or they can get her on Manslaughter.</p>

<p>I dont think, in light of the evidence, they will get Murder One, but Second degree Murder.
this outlines the possible verdicts very nicely.
<a href=“http://www.dewittlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/casey-anthony-trial-infographic.pdf[/url]”>http://www.dewittlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/casey-anthony-trial-infographic.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;