<p>I can’t believe the commentators think Baez was being effective!</p>
<p>^^^he just needs one to hold out on murder…and then i heard today one of the jurors is booked on a cruise to leave on the 7th… maybe he hopes they will go for something less to get it wrapped up if one wont vote for murder</p>
<p>the Zanny code for Xanax theory has been around for awhile. </p>
<p>She may have used Xanax or benadryl at one time…but then decided to use chloroform because maybe her “supplier” for Xanax was now gone…and we know that she didn’t have money.</p>
<p>*And he just called his client a liar! *</p>
<p>Right! So why should anyone believe that Casey told Baez the truth about a drowning or abuse???</p>
<p>^^ ah good not the only one that thought that… now wishing i had watched this trial a bit …so some of this would make more sense</p>
<p>I haven’t watched any of the trial until today, but I do know this: Jose Baez sure is boring.</p>
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Woke up to a storm and they were blabbering on and I figured he had finished. Come to find out they had gone to recess…</p>
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<p>If that were true, I would have expected a normal person to cop a plea to involuntary manslaughter or something like that. I think this case went to trial solely because Casey is congenitally incapable of admitting that she did something wrong, which is what a plea bargain would require. So…I guess I’m saying I agree with you.</p>
<p>I’m now predicting conviction with no death penalty and some possibility of parole. I think the gist of the jury’s deliberations will be, “It hasn’t been proven that Casey killed Caylee, but she definitely did something very wrong and is a sick, sick person who should not be out in society. We shouldn’t kill her, on the outside chance that she really isn’t a murderer, but we have to keep her locked up for a long time.”</p>
<p>*teeny teeny part of me wonders…they wouldnt let anyone know casey was pregnant… why not? were they also worried what people would think if they hadnt put on safety locks etc and child drowned…but cant take it much further than that…how would they figure they could cover up the death later?? but its pushing it *</p>
<p>Can you clarify? I don’t understand what you wrote.</p>
<p>I don’t know what to make of the parents not knowing about Casey’s pregnancy. I’ve known people to hide pregnancies. Cindy went to work early…and came home 6-7 pm at night. Casey may have been hiding the pregnancy under a bathrobe at night for all we know. She may have been gone a lot on weekends when Cindy and Geo were home.</p>
<p>If the wedding was the first daytime social occasion that occurred when Casey was really starting to show, then it is plausible that that may have been the first time that Casey had to be out and about around her parents without being able to wear something to hide the pregnancy. </p>
<p>Since Cindy quickly planned a shower, bought a crib and bought Casey maternity clothes, I don’t think Cindy was trying to hide it once she was aware of it.</p>
<p>Cindy is one of those moms (like my MIL) that doesn’t seem to notice what’s going on right under her nose.</p>
<p>Interesting point, m2ck. All this time I’ve assumed that Cindy knew about the pregnancy all along, but it does make more sense that Casey hid it from her own family as long as possible, since that’s obviously her MO.</p>
<p>*If that were true, I would have expected her to cop a plea to involuntary manslaughter or something like that. *</p>
<p>Actually, RIGHT before the body was found, there were STRONG rumors that the defense was putting together a plea deal for a lower charge. …but then the body was found. </p>
<p>Part of a plea deal is that a person has to “tell the whole story.” Once the body was found - with duct tape - whatever story that they wanted to go with for a plea bargain (drowning???) wasn’t something the prosecution would agree to.</p>
<p>However, I wouldn’t be surprised if something happens similarly to a Calif trial involving a man who killed his wife, but claimed that she went to Russia. The body wasn’t found before the trial.</p>
<p>After he was convicted of first degree murder (but before sentencing), he and his defense team put forth a plea deal that he would tell them where he hid the body in exchange for a LESSER charge of 2nd degree murder and 15 years in jail (I think that was the offer). The prosecution agreed…and he led them to the body…which was wrapped EXACTLY how their young son said it was (which the defense fought and fought by saying he was too young to know). The young son (about 8) testified that he saw his dad carry down the stairs something the shape of a person wrapped in sheets. And, that’s how the body was found.</p>
<p>So…maybe if Casey is convicted, before she’s sentenced, they’ll try a plea deal where she’ll tell exactly what happened for a lesser charge…but she’s going to have to show some proof as well…which would be hard for her to do at this point.</p>
<p>*Interesting point, m2ck. All this time I’ve assumed that Cindy knew about the pregnancy all along, but it does make more sense that Casey hid it from her own family as long as possible, since that’s obviously her MO. *</p>
<p>Yes…there was a major reason for Casey to hide the pregnancy…she didn’t have a BF…and she had been telling her parents that she was still a virgin. To be pregnant without a serious BF would make her look like a floozy (in her and her parents’ mind)…so she hid it as long as she could.</p>
<p>Frankly…the “outing” at the wedding was probably just what she wanted. Casey probably wanted someone else to bring it up…because she wasn’t able to.</p>
<p>I know of young girls who’ve had to have friends deliver the message to the parents about a pregnancy. It can be very hard for girls to tell parents…especially when there’s been no boyfriend.</p>
<p>Wasn’t that case on 48 Hours recently? Sounds familiar.</p>
<p>It may have…I remember it from when it happened…</p>
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<p>Soozie…I agree…it makes total sense to everyone that Casey had access to the duct tape that was in the garage…it’s not like Geo had some kind of duct tape lock box. </p>
<p>*Jose Baez accused the prosecutor of laughing and the prosecutor objected and the judge sustained and then everything stopped and the jury was sent out. *</p>
<p>oooh, I missed that. What did Baez claim that the prosecution was laughing at? </p>
<p>*So what if it is possible that the toddler can open a door and climb a pool ladder? It doesn’t prove she drowned. She likely can run out in a road too and get run over. *</p>
<p>Right…that’s like that Calif guy claiming that his wife wasn’t dead, she just went to Russia…or Drew Peterson claiming that his wife ran off with unknown guy (which no cell phone records indicate that she was having an affair or anything.</p>
<p>If people can just kill their kids, wait til their bodies are skeletonized and then claim that they drowned in a pool…then that’s going to become the “get out of jail free card”.</p>
<p>Frankly, I’m surprised that more child murders aren’t the result of “planned” or “forced drownings” where parents claim that the child accidentally got into the pool.</p>
<p>BTW, the argument that Cindy didn’t take her daughter to GYN til age 19 is so weak. My D pediatrician says current standard is to start seeing a GYN when you become sexually active. According to Casey, herself, she was still a virgin. So what would necessitate a visit under those circumstances. </p>
<p>Also I read some interesting information on Joes Baez from wikipedia. He was reported to the Florida Bar for unethical behavior when he allegedly told the crime investigator to “walk-away” if he found Caylee’s body and call him instead of law enforcement.<br>
He has a long history of bad behavior himself. He was denied from being admitted to the bar for 8 years when he got out of law school. He had a lot of legal problems, bankrupty, defaulted on school loans, unpaid child support. Dropped out of school when he was in 9th grade, got married and had his first kid at 17. The list goes on.</p>
<p>I just found out that the defense closing argument in the background is as good of a long nap inducer as golf.</p>
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<p>Agreed! This point is meaningless! I didn’t go to a gyn until I was 19 either. One of my kids went to a gyn in HS for good reason and one is older than that and to my knowledge has never been to a gyn. Often one starts with a gyn when one becomes sexually active. Also, just because the mom didn’t “take her to a gyn,” doesn’t mean she didn’t see one, such as Planned Parenthood without her parents’ knowledge (I did that before my mom wanted to take me to a gyn when I got engaged as she assumed I never needed one before the impending marriage!).</p>
<p>*BTW, the argument that Cindy didn’t take her daughter to GYN til age 19 is so weak. My D pediatrician says current standard is to start seeing a GYN when you become sexually active. According to Casey, herself, she was still a virgin. So what would necessitate a visit under those circumstances. *</p>
<p>I agree. Many girls don’t go to their first gyno appt until they’re in college…or they’ve told their moms that they’re sexually active. </p>
<p>And, having irregular periods as a teen isn’t a reason to take a D to the gyno…a pediatrician often deals with that…because there’s not much to do there. Many teens are irregular.</p>
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<p>Well, as I said, I have only watched a half hour of TV of this case (but have followed it in print in the news). What I saw was that Baez was coming to a climatic moment and building up his voice and energy to pin the case on GEORGE and he interrupted himself right in the middle of his climax and pointed to the prosecutor and said, “that laughing man over there!” and the prosecutor called out, “Objection!” and the Judge called out “Sustained!” and then immediately stopped the proceedings and called a recess. In the video of the prosecutor during the Baez’s closing arguments, during that climatic moment of pinning the case on GEORGE, the prosecutor smirked and was covering his mouth with his hand to hide it as soon as he realized he was smiling (they are not supposed to display emotion, etc. But after that, the judge was gonna rule about this finding both attorneys at fault I think (one for smirking and one for calling him on it in the middle of the closing argument…could have waited). But when they came back, I didn’t get to see what the judge decided about this “to do” as my D was calling long distance (she is traveling) and so anyone know what the judge then said or decided? I only know that a while later, the closing arguments were back in motion by the defense again.</p>
<p>Basically he told the attorneys anymore of that and they’d be found in contempt.</p>