Casey Anthony?

<p>** Attorney to Casey**:</p>

<p>What happened to your child?</p>

<p>Casey to attorney:</p>

<p>My mom left the ladder to the pool in place, she apparently climbed the ladder and I found her after she drown. My dad took over and said we’ll make it look like a murder. I was scared. I went along. Then my mom and dad decided it wasn’t going to work and claimed that I had been lying to them when, in fact, we were involved in it together from the beginning.</p>

<p>Attorney to Casey: </p>

<p>Can you prove any of this?</p>

<p>Casey to attorney: </p>

<p>Not without my parents telling the truth.</p>

<p>Attorney to Casey:</p>

<p>You think they would tell the truth?</p>

<p>Casey to attorney:</p>

<p>No.</p>

<p>Attorney to Casey: </p>

<p>Why?</p>

<p>Casey to Attorney:</p>

<p>Because our whole family has been lying and living a lie for years long before this.</p>

<p>Attorney to Casey;</p>

<p>Explain, please.</p>

<p>Casey to attorney:</p>

<p>My Dad and brother sexually abused me for years.</p>

<p>Attorney to Casey:</p>

<p>I suggest that we force the prosecution to prove its case and we can bring this up at trial.</p>

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<p>Attorney to Casey:</p>

<p>Why did your parents frantically call you several times a day for a month, asking about Caylee if they knew she was dead, and when you failed to return their calls why did they call your friends looking for you and Caylee when they already knew she was dead, and why did they go searching for you and Caylee, if they knew she was already dead. And why on earth would they call the police when they found your abandoned car and opened the trunk, if they knew Caylee was dead and they had help dispose of her body?</p>

<p>And why would you allow your father, who had sexually abused you, take care of your daughter?</p>

<p>Good questions TutuTaxi!</p>

<p>It seems instead of “reasonable doubt”, they found reason to doubt.
I think they didn’t understand the rule of law.</p>

<p>did i hear correctly… cindy and george today… cindy “look at her hair isnt it beautiful!” george…“has grown alot”</p>

<p>The whole “let’s make this accident into a murder” scenario is just idiotic. Obviously Casey had no problem turning Caylee into carrion, but I do not believe for one minute that George and Cindy would do that.</p>

<p>Good points, tutu.</p>

<p>When I was on a jury for a criminal case, I remember feeling at one point that short of catching the accused in the act or getting a confession, it would be impossible to get beyond “reasonable doubt” and to a guilty verdict.</p>

<p>We reviewed all the pieces of evidence and rated them by how reliable and how incriminating each was.
We them looked at the “plausibility” of the prosecutor’s case or story, and then compared it with the “plausibility” of the defense’s case (alternative stories, holes in the prosecutor’s case, etc.)
Motive was immaterial- it was a robbery.
There was a possible tool and plausibly related damage and several pieces of incriminating evidence.
In the end, the alternative story (that all these things could have been a coincidence, basically) by the defense was just so much less plausible than the prosecution’s story. So the defendant was convicted by the jury.</p>

<p>Parent56- Thank you! I was not the only person driven crazy by these sick people commenting on her hair? </p>

<p>Also, I am tired of hearing what she is wearing, how she is wearing her hair. Goodness gracious, are we really talking about this trashy girl like she is Jackie Kennedy?</p>

<p>This is not the type of person that deserves any attention, and I hope to God that nobody buys her book, etc.</p>

<p>Honestly, I think the jurors just became confused. If I remember, correctly, not many of them even took notes during the trial.</p>

<p>I swear that Scott Peterson and his atty Mark Geragos are saying to themselves…omg…Why didn’t we try that?</p>

<p>Geragos’ Re-do of Opening Statement</p>

<p>Laci was never missing. Laci died on Dec 24th, 2002, when she fell out of Scott’s boat in SF bay.</p>

<p>Laci didn’t want Scott to go fishing alone on Christmas Eve, so she went him.</p>

<p>He had a life-jacket for her, but because of her advanced pregnancy, she wasn’t comfortable and took it off.</p>

<p>Laci tried to stand up in the boat, but lost her balance and fell in. Scott tried to save her but to no avail.</p>

<p>He felt so horrible about not being able to save Laci and Baby Conner, so he made up the story that she was missing.</p>

<p>With that story, Scott wouldn’t be on Death Row now. Ugh!!</p>

<p>Part of the problem with comments I am reading on here is that people make this out to be some sort of tug of war, where the defense presents a case, the prosecution presents a case, and whichever is felt to have proven their side better wins, and that is not how a trial works in a criminal matter. It is up to the prosecution to prove their case, the defense does not have to offer an alternative story to explain what happened, and in fact in many defense cases they don’t even offer one (often because there isn’t one to offer). Most defense cases stem around pointing out holes in the prosecutions evidence, a lot of what defense attorneys do comes in cross examination, leading to doubts about prosecution witnesses. Likewise, when defense counsel puts people on the stand, they generally are people brought in to damage what the prosecution said in their case, and if they put enough doubt in the juror’s minds about the prosecution’s case, they are supposed to vote to acquit. </p>

<p>Even if the defense story seems cockamamie, the prosecutor could find nothing in the evidence that refuted that story, and unless the parents testified (which I believe they didn’t) that the daughter was lying, they had nothing to show it was false, and remember, the defense doesn’t have to prove their story is true, they prosecution has to show it is false. The defense story, as weird as it seems, answers things like like the girl had duct tape on her and so forth. And if the story was not true, why didn’t the prosecution put the parents on the stand to refute the story? And why didn’t the parents, who claim the daughter is lying in the press, say that in court? (like, maybe they were afraid that they would be charged with perjury, which you cannot be by saying it in the papers). Some of the posts on here are using things that were not in the court trial, like the parents claims she is lying or the frantic calls (which i don’t believe were in the trial). The most damming thing in this case was the lack of phyical evidence that the girl in fact had been suffocated and the lack of evidence of chloroform in her system, the evidence they have only says her body was in the trunk of the woman’s car, which could have happened if in fact she drowned. </p>

<p>Basically, the DA’s case came down to claiming the woman was a bad mother, that she was some tramp, that because of that she had motive to kill her daughter and they expected a jury to hear the defense story, hear the circumstantial evidence and do what people on here have done, assume the whole thing to be true. One of the things that makes me think the jury found her not guilty was that the DA couldn’t prove she was an abusive mom, there were no prior accounts of her being an abuser, there was no proof the child had been mistreated or that the mother otherwise hated her, their basic proof was in the woman’s behavior in the time after the daughter was dead, which was reprehensible, but doesn’t prove anything. </p>

<p>As far as this line “Why would anyone bother to try a case when there is no evidence upon which reasonable minds would disagree?” </p>

<p>DA’s are politicians and come under tremendous pressure, and not to mention the fact, they also often have aspirations. Why did the DA in the Duke case, supposedly a slam dunk, do what he did? For something as horrible as this,they know they need to get a conviction, and they probably felt they had a slam dunk with this one, thinking juries would be swayed by the crime and the circumstantial evidence to convict the mom, especially after they slimed her on the stand. As far as reasonable minds disagreeing, how about the evidence that wasn’t there, the evidence that the girl had been in fact murdered, that she had been chloroformed…all the evidence that ‘reasonable minds’ would agree on was circumstantial, and in many cases, circumstantial evidence turns out to get the wrong person. </p>

<p>A law professor wrote an interesting op ed in today’s NY Daily News, and he said that the prosecutor screwed up in charging her with capital murder in this case, that juries are very, very reluctant to convict people on death penalty cases with circumstantial evidence, that had they tried her on murder 2 they might have had better luck with a conviction. The difference being that with murder 2, or life without parole, if the accused is innocent, there is the chance that they can be set free if new evidence comes up, but if they are doubtful in a capital case they are more likely to acquit rather then face sending someone to be executed. </p>

<p>One other point to people, I recommend reading about what was actually presented in court, not what the papers are claiming, not what Nancy Grace and the like who tried it in the media are saying, look at the evidence the jury heard, and hear what the judges instructions were to them. You are operating with all kinds of things that were not allowed in the trial, you are operating without the judge’s instructions, and you also don’t know what was discussed in that room,you are operating with all kinds of hearsay and statements that are not in that courtroom.</p>

<p>One other point, as a veteran of juries, you can go around claiming these were 12 stupid jurors, but based on my experience, it isn’t that easy to get 12 people to agree on anything in a jury. In the opposite case, where jurors are mostly leaning towards conviction, there are always those holding out, and in this case, if the evidence was all so clear, all so logical, you would figure by shear odds that at least a couple would have held out, but they didn’t, it took them only 10 hours to come to their decision, and that says something, it is a lot more likely to have one or two idiots then all twelve.</p>

<p>Is the mother innocent? I don’t know, but quite frankly, if I were the Orlando people, I would push for a shakeup in the DA’s office and their ME’s office, they obviously did a crappy job on this one. I have doubts that the mom was innocent, but based on what I have read, including the statement of the jurors who have talked so far, including an alternate who wasn’t in the deliberations (makes it 13 to acquit), sounds like the DA was a complete screw up and the ME’s staff were incompetent.</p>

<p>I actually think it was more than that, mom2k</p>

<p>I heard a defense litigator say that the “brilliant” move was to leave George’s picture up there the whole time he did his summation. So, there was this nagging thing about “it could have been George.”</p>

<p>In fact, in the article Cartera linked earlier today, the jurors stated that they hadn’t believed a word George said on the stand. So, not only was there “the accident,” there was this nagging, alternate perpetrator.</p>

<p>I really believe it was the George thing that swayed them the most, in the end. Includeing, according the juror in C’s link, the accusation of sexual abuse.</p>

<p>Tonight I saw am interview with a juror who stated that the verdict was not guilty because the prosecution couldn’t prove how Caylee died. Of course they didn’t have to prove how Caylee died to make a case (see Scott Peterson). Sounds like the jury instructions were lacking.</p>

<p>Most upsetting to me was an interview with the head of a non-profit search group that spent a huge amount of its limited funds (all donations) and hundreds of hours searching for a dead child on the basis of Casey’s lies. The time they spent on the Anthony case was time they couldn’t spend on other, legitimate searches. They are considering suing Casey. I hope they do, and she never gets the benefit of a single dollar from any interviews or books. Flip your hair about that, Casey.</p>

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I think any defense attorney who makes allegations in an opening statement should be required to support them by the introduction of some type of evidence, and that failure to do so should result in a mistrial. Baez poisoned the jury’s mind from the outset. If Casey claimed she was abused, she should have been required to take the stand and make that allegation in court, so the jury could compare her credibility (hah!) to her father’s. This was just all wrong. Does anyone know if any state has a mechanism to prevent prejudicial opening/closing statements (on either side) with no supporting evidence?</p>

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<p>Of course, the prosecution asked George if anything about the nutty story was true. He denied everything. The jury didn’t like him and chose not to believe him. George presented direct testimony that Caylee didn’t drown the way Casey claimed and that he had nothing to do with a cover up or disposing the body. On the other hand, there was no evidence of drowning, except Baez’ unsupported claims in opening statement. He supported it with pictures showing that Caylee could climb the ladder and that the ladder had been left down on occasion. He testified for Casey in opening statement about the drowning and the abuse and got away with it. The jury was told that they could not consider River Cruz testimony as substantive evidence that Caylee drowned but could only use it as to George’s credibility. There was no evidence of drowning presented. </p>

<p>Of course, there was evidence of frantic calls. The 911 call that Cindy made describing the smell after finding the car is very disturbing. The taped visits to the jail and calls from the jail were played showing how frantic they were to find Casey and how they questioned Casey about if Caylee she would be found and if she knew more than she was telling. </p>

<p>I can’t refute every point, but you clearly know very little about what was actually presented in the trial so many of your conclusions make no sense in light of the actual evidence. </p>

<p>Prosecutors have to prosecute a case unless the defendant pleads out. If evidence of guilt is conclusive and nothing is in dispute, the defendant will likely enter into a plea deal. Therefore, in cases that are tried, the evidence will be argued. That is what my comment referred to.</p>

<p>interestingly soon after Caylee went missing, August/September '08, there were numerous blogs where posters wondered about the possibility of incest/sexual abuse, based on Casey’s inappropriate partying behavior, lack of affect. Made me wonder, who knows, maybe Jose Baez, even the jury consultant read those and suggested it as a believable defense, since people were already conjecturing about it? </p>

<p>I also find myself questioning whether Casey and her parents didn’t coordinate the defense, where the parents knew about the “new” allegations prior to the first day in court, but pretended to be shocked. they may have “agreed” to play along in creating enough doubt in the jurors’ minds to get her acquitted. to me it’s easy to see them willing to continue to enable Casey to get away with murder.</p>

<p>Sorry if this has been brought up as I just watched the repeat of Dr. Drew’s interview with Jesse Grund, Caseys ex fiance. I found him to be 100% credible, and although he inferred (didn’t actually say) that Casey was guilty, he told horrific stories of Cindy Anthony (he was present during these verbal attacks) berating her and saying things to Casey that I couldn’t even imagine a mother saying to her child. Horrible and vile comments that made me cry for Casey! (and I think she did it.)</p>

<p>I’m sure the transcript of the interview is out there somewhere, but I am much too tired to look. This was coming from a guy who said he would never speak to the media for 3 years as he didn’t want to corrupt the process. </p>

<p>Not that her mother possibly being ***** from hell excuses her from killing or at least dumping her child in the woods, but it changes my mind about Cindy.</p>

<p>I should add that the point isn’t for the defense to make up an unfalsifiable story and have the prosecution show it to be false. There’s no way for the prosecution to prove that, say, a drowning didn’t happen or that sexual abuse didn’t happen. As long as a story fits within the cracks of the purely unknown, the prosecution can’t touch it.</p>

<p>But in this case, the point wasn’t to show that the defense story was true. The defense could have said whatever the hell they wanted – it wouldn’t matter. A lot of things they said were dismissed/not allowed in closing statements (such as the accusations of abuse). What mattered is that the prosecution couldn’t explain the necessary events required to show guilt. We don’t really know how Caylee died. Was she drowned? Was she drugged? Suffocated with the duct tape? There are certainly a couple viable possibilities with some more likely than others, but when we don’t even know the cause of death, how can we link it to a murder? Or even manslaughter? That’s why Casey basically argued that it was a complete accident that was no one’s fault, but she WAS guilty of lying to the police and making it all LOOK like a murder. Still disgusting <em>even if it were true.</em></p>

<p>Casey lucked out big time with the body decomposition. I can’t imagine what Caylee must have gone through. Nobody deserves that and it breaks my heart to know that an innocent little girl had to suffer for no reason.</p>

<p>Regardless of the verdict and of the evidence (or lack thereof), I hope nobody ever forgets that the true victim here is Caylee. It just seems so wrong that everybody else involved in this case stands a good chance of profiting off of it, while she is still dead.</p>

<p>For those who feel the jury got it wrong:</p>

<p>Based on the evidence presented at trial (which is all the jury is allowed to consider), how did Casey kill her daughter?</p>