<p>For anyone who thinks we’re obsessed, get a load of this site. This person has created a timeline for the 31 days - including pics of the phone records for the day. I have only glanced at it but unbelievable detail.</p>
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<p>“Ablow notes (correctly IMO) that grandparents do not normally attempt suicide over the death of a grandchild.”</p>
<p>no fight to pick here but did want to comment. I’ve heard this logic used before but people seem to forget that George was basically acting as Caylee’s father. He was the only father figure there, raised Caylee in his home since birth. Can also be argued that his Cindy acted as Caylee’s mother with Casey filling in the “fun aunt” role.
They can’t be expected to respond like typical grandparents in this case, because they weren’t.</p>
<p>Why did Casey ignore all of the calls from Cindy asking to talk/see Caylee. I don’t recall Casey testifying to receiving any calls. Wasn’t it only Cindy’s testimony as to calls she claimed were left on Casey’s cell? </p>
<p>Why not just say George has/had Caylee. Lie to cover up for dear ole Dad and Casey was afraid Cindy would report all this to the authorities. It was Cindy who called 911, correct?</p>
<p>**Why tell Cindy, her friends and the authorities Caylee is with Zanny the nanny if she had left Caylee with George. ** See above. We have no problem believing that Cindy would lie about the searches to try and save Casey. A juror could have a doubt about Casey’s motive for this Zanny lie. Was it to protect Dad and/or Casey? You tell me which one it HAD to be.</p>
<p>**Also Casey and Caylee where seen on CSVT leaving a store after the time Baez(Casey) says Caylee was with George. ** Here we go again. What the lawyers say is NOT evidence. What does the fact that Casey and Caylee were filmed together at a certain time prove?</p>
<p>**If Casey or George had attempted suicide without leaving a note, then you’d be right…they both could look guilty.</p>
<p>But George’s note clearly indicated that he didn’t know what happened to Caylee. If he was guilty and going to commit suicide, he would have “cleared Casey and taken the blame” in his note so that Casey would have been released from jail.</p>
<p>It wasn’t the mere attempt at suicide that mattered, it was the contents of the note. He didnt’ know what happened to Caylee…and that was clear. **</p>
<p>Let’s see. George didn’t commit suicide he “attempted suicide” according to George. He actually lived and --gee–shazam, the content of the note HE wrote make some of you think he had no responsibility for Caylee’s death. Nice attempt at deflection on his part. Or, the jurors could have some doubt about the truth of the suicide note and seen it as an attempt to provide deflection.</p>
<p>BTW-- men tend to use weapons to kill themselves more than women who use overdoses. Course if you didn’t want to die, but merely wanted it to look like you were trying to die, which would you choose? Was there any evidence George was familiar with firearms? Seem to recall evidence that he was in law enforcement. Strange he didn’t take the weapons route.</p>
<p>People don’t attempt suicide just because they are guilty of something. It is very conceivable that George was very despondent over not only the death of the grandchild, but the major upheaval going on in their lives, all in public view. I don’t see his attempt at suicide as having anything to do with guilt. </p>
<p>Also, I agree with others that it is not plausible that if George murdered the toddler, that Casey would be covering up by mentioning Zannly the Nanny, and everything else. In fact, she’d be despondent and surely not doing things where she would take the fall for something she didn’t do. When you want your own child dead, you may not be despondent but if someone else kills your child, you sure would be upset. If you are accused of something you didn’t do, and being charged with in a death penalty case, you certainly tell what really happened in order to save yourself. </p>
<p>Also, it was clear in the jailhouse tapes and other evidence that George and Cindy were desperately seeking answers to find Caylee. </p>
<p>I think Baez soured the jury by accusing George of sexual abuse and then he never provided any evidence of it (the judge agrees) and yet that accusation was there from the start and colored things. </p>
<p>I also can’t imagine in such a complicated case that had no easy answers, that the jury would take less than a day to decide it. It almost seems like their minds were made up before deliberations began in any methodical way.</p>
<p>George had the double burden of losing the granddaughter who was more like a daughter to him AND the realization that his daughter killed her. Cindy and George know she did it. The guilt they feel is that even though they knew Casey was a self described “spiteful *****,” even they didn’t think she was a murderer.</p>
<p>*Caylees body was wrapped the way dead pets were wrapped by Caseys parents.</p>
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<p>And wrapped the way that Casey and Lee were taught to wrap a dead pet and wrapped in the way that, I’m guessing, most people, in this situation would wrap a dead body. Especially (sorry to be graphic) if it had been decomposing for a while. *</p>
<p>Right!!!</p>
<p>Caylee was not wrapped in some unusual way with some unusual materials that only the Anthony parents used for pets.</p>
<p>Probably half of Americans who bury their own pets do it in a similar way. Cindy said that they copied a way that their vet did it with their first pet. </p>
<p>Gosh…I wrap presents with gift wrap and tape…don’t many people? Seriously, when something is done in a regular fashion, it doesn’t point to anyone in particular. </p>
<p>*if baez was putting forth that accusation in good faith…it wasnt baez that accused him…it was casey… *</p>
<p>First of all, I don’t think this is true. I think Baez waited for all the evidence to come out, then he and Casey concocted a story that the evidence couldn’t clearly contradict. </p>
<p>Like I said before, Scott Peterson and Geragos should have just said that Laci went fishing with Scott, fell into the bay, and he couldn’t save her…so he felt BAD and made up the “missing” story. That lie would have “fit” the evidence and he couldn’t have likely been convicted. Sad, but likely true. </p>
<p>Lastly, since Casey will be a media hound, at some point, if Baez doesn’t keep her on a short-leash, she’s going to say SOMETHING that’s going to expose something. She may say that she told Baez that Caylee drowned right away. If so, then Baez will be shown to be a big fat liar because hours before Caylee’s body was found, he was in court insisting that Caylee was a “missing child” and was not dead. </p>
<p>If she says anything to indicate that she didn’t say that her dad raped her or that Baez crafted the drowning story, then Baez is toast. </p>
<p>the real show will be once we have a Casey Unplugged.</p>
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<p>I am not confusing education with intelligence. You can be intelligent and have never finished high school. Your examples of self made billionaires are not so much about intelligence, however, and more about success. Also, those people finished high school. Not all jurors have even a high school diploma which is what I referred to initially. </p>
<p>Of course going to college doesn’t make you intelligent! </p>
<p>I didn’t say you had to be intelligent to be on a jury. But when you have a high school diploma, and moreover a college degree, you have had to use critical thinking skills many times. You may not be intelligent but you have experience having to work in that fashion. This isn’t about intelligence per se. </p>
<p>Let’s say we were talking of writing skills and not critical thinking skills (it is sorta more tangible and so I will use this as an example). You can be extremely intelligent but if you have no experience with writing, you may not write too well. But in HS, and particularly in college, you will experience writing and so have some basic skill doing that. Same with critical thinking. You can be very intelligent but without any formal education, you may have less experience in having to collaborate with others using problem solving and critical thinking skills. So, there is a basic skill set that comes with being educated and having that experience using such skills. You can be intelligent without any education but may be less skilled at the skill sets that are used in formal education. Someone without a HS diploma may be quite intelligent naturally, but haven’t had to hone various skills that are used in educational settings. </p>
<p>Jury duty requires a certain skill set, not just intelligence. Experience gained through education with those skills can only be beneficial to a jury. It may not guarantee anything but the odds are increased that the jurists will have had some experience with a level of critical thinking and so on. Just like in any area of life, besides jury duty, some jobs require an education to attain. The people hiring don’t say, “well you seem like an intelligent person but didn’t graduate HS or go to college, but we’ll hire you anyway to do a job that typically goes to educated people.” There is a reason that many jobs require either a HS diploma or a college degree. There is a certain level of education and skills that employers seek, and not simply proof that someone is naturally intelligent.</p>
<p>cartera, I agree that George’s burden wasn’t only losing his grandchild, but losing his daughter who was possibly going to jail for a long time and also the realization that his own daughter had something to do with his grandchild’s death was likely unbearable.</p>
<p>I think the whole testimony over the duct tape was ridiculous and calling it George’s duct tape is ridiculous too. Casey lived in that home. She was being supported by her parents and used items in the home every day. My own kids use dad’s duct tape! I don’t see how the fact that George’s duct tape was used points to George. Casey used the duct tape in HER house and used garbage bags and laundry bags in HER house. Who do all those items belong to? Everyone in the house! They all have access to them.</p>
<p>My guess is that the Anthonys felt and believed that Caylee died as another victim/mishap due to Casey’s negligence, carelessness and shallowness. By this time, they know well that they cannot handle her and that she is truly a danger to others, to them and to herself. I wonder if they would have supported a lesser charge that would have kept her incarcerated for a number of years, especially if some sort of program were available to work with her. I do and have known parents who have sadly come to the conclusion that jail is the better alternative for their kids in hopes that they can grow up a little more away from a world and responsibilities they cannot handle.</p>
<p>Question: what’s the story with the incendiary videotape? I have heard it was held out of public view because Casey is seen hyperventilating and freaking out when the as-yet-unidentified body was found. What’s the problem with that? I would freak out in the same situation. I haven’t really followed the case that closely, so if someone would enlighten me I would appreciate it.</p>
<p>The jury did not have the luxury of the rest of us of not having the potential execution or imprisonment of a person (Casey) ride on assumptions regarding why Casey, George or Cindy would react or act or pretend in a particular manner in response to any proven fact or circumstance.</p>
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<p>This above statement is the definition of reasonable doubt. You cannot rule out that the suicide attempt was a reaction to guilt for personal responsibility for Caylee’s death. As a poster on this thread stated from his personal experience with the death of his child, one reaction is go get drunk and engage in crazy behavior in response to the pain. The grief counselor witness provided expert testimony to this.</p>
<p>The question is not what you or your friends would do in these circumstances, but what was the evidence of why Casey acted the way she did. Why is a tough one since if Casey had testified the jury would have been free to disbelieve or believe her testimony. </p>
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<p>That too is what shows that there was reasonable doubt. It is pure guess as to who actually used these items which were available to the family.</p>
<p>The problem from the beginning in this case was that Casey could not be placed with or near Caylee at the time of death. There was no evidence that Casey was killed or how she was killed. Casey could not be shown to have had possession of the means by which Caylee was killed.</p>
<p>^^^I do understand that they could not prove the means by which Casey may have killed or accidentally killed Caylee. But what I was saying is that there was even much less evidence that George was involved in any capacity in Caylee’s death. I realize that the defense had no burden to prove anything with regard to George, but just saying that the jury appears to have thought George was involved in the death and no evidence was presented at all to demonstrate that. With Casey, there was some evidence, but just not enough to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt for these jurors. </p>
<p>I mention the duct tape only because I think the defense kept trying to prove it was George’s tape and so George did it and even you mention how it was George’s duct tape. It was just as accessible to Casey was all I was saying.</p>
<p>*Casey used the duct tape in HER house and used garbage bags and laundry bags in HER house. Who do all those items belong to? Everyone in the house! They all have access to them. *</p>
<p>Exactly!!!</p>
<p>I think some think that if a man kills his wife using her favorite kitchen knives, then he didn’t kill her, she killed herself… lol</p>
<p>It’s simply insane to think that family household items that are accessible for all to use are “one person’s” things. It’s not like George kept duct tape under lock and key.</p>
<p>Oh…and…BTW…the HOUSE is in Cindy’s name only. It’s not Geo’s home at all. </p>
<p>And…in his suicide note, Geo said that he bought that gun to try to “force” Casey’s friends to tell them what happened. Why would he write that if he knew that Caylee drowned in an accident or that he had killed her? </p>
<p>If George could have cleared Casey’s name in the suicide note, he would have. She was already facing the DP at that point. He would have cleared her name if he was responsible in any way or knew the truth.</p>
<p>“Ablow notes (correctly IMO) that grandparents do not normally attempt suicide over the death of a grandchild.”</p>
<p>This is just silly. Caylee wasn’t just a typical grandchild. She was essentially a regular child living in the home since birth. She was like their 3rd child. C&G cared for her and paid for ALL of her stuff like a regular child… And, she was the only grandchild…</p>
<p>To equate this situation to where grandchildren are usually living elsewhere and with the parents is just silly.</p>
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<p>What is really interesting now about that is that she is saying that she knew Caylee was dead and knew the body was dumped. If she knew all that, she is not freaking out because of the realization her daughter is dead, but because they found the evidence that, with every passing day, she hoped would not be found.</p>
<p>*Why not just say George has/had Caylee. Lie to cover up for dear ole Dad *</p>
<p>Uhhh…if you think that Casey would be willing to face the DP in order to cover up for dad, then you haven’t paid very close attention to the type of person Casey is. She’s no Mother Teresa.</p>
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<p>Dad07,
We could pull apart every single piece of evidence in ANY case and come up with infinite possible explanations for each. It is the summation of that evidence and the direction that it points in that matters. </p>
<p>We cannot rule out that the neighbor stole the duct tape from the Anthony home. I suppose that we should look at the neighbor as a suspect. Or maybe the vet that prepared the Anthony’s first dead pet. I mean, after all, he/she wraps bodies in black plastic with duct tape. Very suspicious.</p>
<p>this is getting too stridently “Nancy Grace” for me… was interesting for awhile…but will leave with…i think it is unfair to suggest the jury is “stupid” or not intelligent enough… they had a hard job to do…they did it…people dont like the outcome>>(neither do i)…but so be it. everyone has the right to their opinion…but dont trash the jury imo</p>
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<p>Then why did Daddy George wait 31 days to report “his” daughter missing? Seems he wasn’t so distraught by Caylee’s absence from his daily, hourly existence that he did not have time to get around to pouring a concrete slab in the back yard in which a cadaver dog “alerted” to two areas at a time when he hadn’t seen Caylee in approximately 3 weeks. </p>
<p>There are some very interesting Statement Analysis made of the depositions of George and Cindy on the issue of the concrete patio and the area near the playhouse where the cadaver dog alerted. Seems that analysis posits that Cindy was hiding something about that area near the playhouse. If Casey left with Caylee alive as George testified and killed her and left her in the trunk until she dumped the body in the weeds several miles away, what would Cindy know about the playhouse area that caused her concern?</p>
<p>One previous poster suggested that Casey had come back to the house with the body and used the body to “set up” George as the fall guy. Unless you claim that the cadaver dog had it out for George, it seems that there is some connection between the back yard near the playhouse and Caylee’s death.</p>
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<p>Funny, we agree and that is what the jury did. They just didn’t see it the way some think they would have if they had been on the jury.</p>
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No, cell phone records show ALL the calls made by Cindy. Cindy and I believe Lee started calling Caseys friends asking about Casey and Caylee when Casey would not answer her phone when the family called or return the familys phone calls.
Haha, You actually think Casey is going to lie and cover up to protect George??? </p>
<p>Yes, Cindy called the police when they found Caseys car but George was right there. If he was in any way implicated in Caylees death or disposal, its hard to believe he would go out searching for Caylee and Casey and open the cars trunk. And certain not let Cindy make the frantic phone call to the police.</p>
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The time line is important if Casey through her attorney, Baez is saying George is implicated in Caylees death and disposal but Casey and Caylee are seen after the time Casey says Caylee was with George.</p>
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You make it sound like he just sat around for a month and then decided to report her missing. They (Cindy, George, Lee and friends) had been calling Casey for most of that time trying to get her to bring Caylee back and let them at least talk with Caylee. Casey lied and made excuses as to why Caylee was not with her. Then she stopped taking or returning their calls. It was on the 31st day that Cindy and George finally got tired of Caseys evasiveness and went out searching for her and Caylee.</p>