<p>A bull isn’t an inanimate object. It is a living creature. But then that would be a change for you and being an absolutist that can’t be.</p>
<p>Sithis posted the link. x.x Letters are not “living creatures.”</p>
<p>Granted, I would also not mind being a bull, the animal, but I don’t think that’s quite what you want to mean when you say “bull.” ;)</p>
<p>What I say and what you think I say are always two different things. And just out of curiosity, your name - Baelor - any special meaning?</p>
<p>I think that you say what you write on the page. I am not yet gifted with telepathy, so unfortunately I have only your posts.</p>
<p>And yes.</p>
<p>And if I might ask, what is that meaning?</p>
<p>Your interpretation of what I post isn’t what I posted.</p>
<p>This argument has now gone on for approximately 20 pages. As fun as it’s been, I think it’s time to put it to rest.</p>
<p>BalconyBoy, I’m sorry that you operate in some lalaland that only you understand. Welcome to the real world.</p>
<p>This is over.</p>
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Aw, that’s not nice. :(</p>
<p>I think you should be a screenwriter, by the way. You’d write excellent lines for the villain. </p>
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<p>Well, maybe he just happened to see it and liked it.</p>
<p>There’s also [this[/url</a>]. [url=<a href=“http://www.towerofthehand.com/reference/k/00554/index.html]Tower”>http://www.towerofthehand.com/reference/k/00554/index.html]Tower</a> of the Hand](<a href=“http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Qord_D’Baelor]this[/url”>Qord D'Baelor | Wookieepedia | Fandom) is another possible source for the name.</p>
<p>Perhaps we will never know.</p>
<p>I hope it’s from ASOF, I love those books.</p>
<p>^Are you talking about A Song of Ice & Fire or something else?</p>
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<p>Maybe that’s why I was asking.</p>
<p>That was quick. I should have known CCers would be Martin fans. Also, I put the series in the summer reading thread elsewhere on CC, so that would be a giveaway, I guess.</p>
<p>I am not celibate, but good for you if that’s what you want. Celibacy is heard of in dorms, but for guys I would venture to say that it isn’t usually self-imposed. I wouldn’t go around advertising being celibate if I were you, not because of being ashamed but because… what’s the point?</p>
<p>You might meet some people who question your lack of sexual activity, but honestly that could happen anywhere. As far as girls, some girls will have a negative reaction about celibacy and some will have a positive reaction. The younger they are, the more likely that their reaction will be positive.</p>
<p>Ok wow I just kind of skimmed a few pages of this thread. Crazy. Forgive me because I did not read the entire thread, so I might be missing some things. But I did want to point out one thing. There was a post in which balcony boy rhetorically asked “didn’t the Catholic church change” fill-in-the-blank… about several things. Some other people responded saying that he was wrong and that the Catholic church didn’t change those things.</p>
<p>Well I grew up Catholic (as did balcony boy, according to the small bit that I read)… and I just wanted to say that he was absolutely correct in all the things that said people accused him of being wrong about. The Catholic church did indeed change all of those things. For Heaven sake, someone even said he was wrong about the mass now being in the vernacular instead of in Latin. The mass is not in Latin now, and hasn’t been for almost 50 years. It is only in Latin if you purposely go to a celebration of a Latin mass.</p>
<p>I’m not going to offer an opinion about EVERYTHING in this thread. It’s just too much. But mostly I find it interesting that the Catholic church seems to be getting all the attention here… when there is just as much of this type of corruption (and coverup) in every other profession where there is access to a large number of kids. I dealt with molestation personally as a child (no, not by a priest), so it isn’t that I take it lightly. But I think some people keep the target narrow just to keep it away from themselves, if you know what I mean…</p>
<p>Lovely! One who aspires to be a character in a video game!</p>
<p>Thank you hollymaria. Now be prepared to be berated and called names by Baelor.</p>
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<p>Oh, there’s no need for curt, cruel responses. :(</p>
<p>I did post two alternative sources for his name - did you not see them below the statement you quoted?</p>
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<p>Honey, you’re way late to the party. Read through the posts. If you want to argue that fiction rather than reality is accurate, be my guest. Just know that:</p>
<p>1) Either BB was wrong on a factual basis, e.g. limbo; or
2) His original statements were too vague and once cleared up were accurate</p>
<p>Let’s experiment with your own nonsense.</p>
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<p>He was wrong because he said the Mass was no longer in Latin. That is factually inaccurate.</p>
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<p>False. Nowhere does it state that the Ordinary Form must be in vernacular. In fact, the Vatican II documents call for the continued use of Latin in the liturgy when appropriate. One could celebrate an OF Mass entirely in Latin. The Extraordinary Form (or Tridentine Mass) is by nature in Latin, but that is something separate.</p>
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<p>It’s not a video game, dude. You really need to think and RESEARCH before you speak.</p>
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<p>Baelor, I guess if you are taking it literally as in… the mass is no longer in Latin EVER… then ok you are right. The mass is still sometimes celebrated in Latin. However, that is not the norm AT ALL.</p>
<p>I was going by my personal experience, which I think means more than technicalities found in a document. All I know is that I have been to over 1000 masses in my life, in dozens of different churches, and not ONE of those masses was in Latin… ever.</p>
<p>You’re absolutely correct that I didn’t read this entire thread, and I’m not going to. 
But judging by what I saw there, it wasn’t correct… at least not in a real world, practical sense. Anyone who says that the mass is still in Latin can practically be guaranteed to be someone who has not been to a mass for themself.</p>
<p>And that is okay, we don’t all have to go to every type of religious celebration. But to claim that people who know the religion and have been practicing it for their entire lives know less about what goes on during a mass than someone who hasn’t been… is ridiculous.</p>
<p>I know that you, or anyone, could very easily just say “oh yes I have been to a mass and it was in Latin.” But I know that most likely would not be the truth. There is no point though in arguing with those who insist on believing “facts” that aren’t true about something they have no actual experience with.</p>
<p>So, for those reading this who are interested in knowing the reality of the matter… I would suggest you take it from someone like BalconyBoy or myself, who actually grew up Catholic and have some idea what we are talking about.</p>
<p>If, however, you are only interested in maintaining and supporting some type of bias against something you know next to nothing about… and are not interested in the truth of the matter… then feel free to cling to Baelor’s incorrect statements, who clearly has no real world experience with this subject whatsoever.</p>
<p>I am done with this thread though. I cannot stand conversing with someone who is more interested in desperately using technicalities to try to “prove” themself correct… than they are in actually learning and knowing the actual truth about something. The fact that you read something somewhere means nothing if what occurs in reality is different.</p>