This is incorrect. PhD programs in Clinical Psych should be fully funded. PsyD programs in Clinical Psych are sometimes, not always, funded.
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Oh, thatâs unfortunate. Thanks for letting me know! Hopefully none of my information is too specific.
Fair enough - as good as any criteria to narrow the choices. I think your application is strong - but youâre right, Barnardâs admission is highly competitive and the odds for everyone are single digit.
Are you more interested in the research side of Psychology, or more the diagnostic/therapeutic side of it? Are you thinking about child/school/family psychology?
Iâm interested in the research and diagnostic/therapeutic sides. Iâm primarily interested in pursuing either developmental or clinical psychology, depending on whether I find myself pulled more toward conducting research or carrying out clinical practice in college.
One thing I am concerned about regarding Bryn Mawr is that Bryn Mawr has a significant number of psychology majors, which might make studying psychology very competitive and saturated. Smith has a similar problem, but not the same degree.
I just talked to my parents, and they told me it appeared that Smith had âsoft rejectedâ me, and that I most likely would not gain acceptance after already being deferred. I want to hold out hope, but I also want to be realistic. Considering that both Smith and Bryn Mawr form about half of their class through ED, Iâm not sure what this says about my chances at either.
Well - you still have time to gain clarity on that question. But right now, youâre more looking at the PhD path.
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Are you concerned about research/internship opportunities, getting into advanced classes,�
My daughter majored in Psychology at Barnard (which happens to be #2 in the previous cited adjusted PhD âfeederâ stats). Yes - it has a strong Psychology department, but that was not a detriment. There was very good faculty mentorship, leading to relevant research and clinical internships at various (off-campus) institutions, universities and clinics. Plenty of specialized/advanced courses were available. In fact, she since found some of the doctoral course-work to be ârehashingâ those advanced topics.
So a college with a strong program does not necessarily increase competition - it might widen opportunities at the same time, allowing you to have a strong application for graduate school.
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I like your list, and I think your chances are good at these schools RD. I have a kid a Whitman who is very happy there, and people love Kenyon.
Iâd also second the suggestion of an application to Mt Holyoke and maybe one at Barnard. Mt Holyoke is a slightly easier admit than BM, and Barnard a harder. Skidmore can be a bit of a wild card. My D22 was accepted at Barnard RD and waitlisted at Skidmore with similar stars to yours.
Good luck!
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As usual, you have to be a little careful with the way these statistics are sometimes framed.
Per their last CDS, probably around 54-55% of Smith enrollees were admitted ED (it was reportedly a little lower, like 48%, last year). But, ED admits in that cycle were only about 21% of total admits. Meaning nearly 4 out of 5 people admitted to Smith that cycle were admitted RD.
Again, the difference is explained by much lower RD yields. Assuming around 97% ED yield, RD yield that cycle was only around 21-22%. Again, this means nearly 4 out of 5 people who were admitted to Smith RD ended up choosing a different college.
I do not know why your parents think you were a soft rejection. But I am quite confident a lot more people this cycle are going to get admitted to Smith RD than got admitted ED. But then a large majority of those RD admits will choose a different college.
Same at Bryn Mawr, and indeed the vast majority of highly regarded colleges. Particularly now that ED/REA/SCEA skims off the most committed applicants, RD yield rates are usually not very high.
Does anyone know the deferral rate? That doesnât tell you everything, but if they defer over 50%, itâs probably not a great sign. Some schools defer only 10%, some over 60%.
Everyone says, just wait and see⊠but thatâs a little idealistic. I think if Smith wanted to let you inâŠâŠ they probably would have. Not definitely, but probably. If you like Bryn Mawr even close to Smith, I would take advantage of that ED2. You are a good candidate for sure, but not necessarily a shoe in.
Good luck, and honestly, you are definitely going to a good school even if not smith or bryn mawr.
No one knows why you were deferred- we all may have theories but only Smith knows.
And they may not yet know !! They might need to see how the rest of the poop shakes out.
A competitive or larger department is a positiveâŠ.more opportunity in class choice or sub area and research. But check curriculums - does one stand out vs another ?
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I was wondering about that. My D is applying to clinical psych programs and it is her and our operating assumption that theyâre funded.
Iâm also not sure of the distinction between âacademicâ and âclinicalâ psych PhDs. I thought âclinicalâ was the academic track ⊠research, research and research. Some go into practice as psychologists, while other stay in the research world. I thought all of that was âclinical psychâ.
Agree with this. My D attended another HSLAC with a strong and thus highly subscribed department, and she had a wonderful experience that put her in a very desirable research position during the last 3 years and is [fingers crossed] poised to be competitive in the PhD pool.
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Agree with all that, and Iâm generally one to say âwhy not?â in submitting aps. But Barnard is a super tough admit. Tougher, I think, than Wellesley and Smith.
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Yes - Clinical Psychologists could focus on research, âdeveloping/furtheringâ the science, or work in the field, âapplyingâ the knowledge. A PhD thus could choose to prioritize either, while the PsyD is primarily a professional degree, focusing mostly on the practical application.
Thatâs what I thought.
Your application is indeed amazing
Yes, those are definitely concerns for me. Itâs very reassuring, however, to hear that Barnardâs strong psychology program significantly benefited your daughter and did not pose too much competition for positions and classes that would help with graduate school. Regardless of which school I attend, I hope I will find the same level of support and opportunities.
Thank you! I toured Mt Holyoke and I couldnât see myself thriving there. Itâs an amazing school and I have friends who attend, but I just donât think itâs for me. I prefer suburban and urban environments, and Mt Holyoke seemed extremely rural and spread out. Also, thank you for letting me know about Skidmore! Given your insight, I will temper my expectations.
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I agree that Barnard is super difficult. In addition, I really value a close-knit community. Peers have told me that Barnard is so integrated with Columbia and NYC that many students spend the weekend off-campus, which is not the type of environment I prefer.
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Awww thank you! 