Chance Me for JHU, Emory, and UChicago and Match me (Junior) [3.77 UW, 1510 SAT, Pre-med, GA resident]

Demographics

  • Junior, female

  • GA

  • STEM “Special public” (formerly charter) HS, top 10 ranked in state

  • No strict budget

Intended Major: Bio/Biochemistry on pre-med track

GPA, Rank, and Test Scores

  • Unweighted HS GPA: 3.70

Weighted HS GPA: 4.1

  • Class Rank: 2-3rd quartile

  • ACT/SAT Scores: 1510, Math 750 /ELA 760 (first time)

Coursework

  • AP Precalculus (5)

  • AP Calc AB (5)

  • AP Biology (5)

  • AP World history (5)

  • AP Seminar (5)

Currently taking:

  • Calc 2

  • 11th Grade Lit & Comp

  • German 3

  • AP US History

  • AP Gov

  • AP Chem

  • AP Research

  • AP Computer science principles

Expected to take:

  • Multivariable calculus

  • AP Lang

  • German 4

  • Post AP research

  • AP Micro

  • AP Macro

  • Dual enrollment anatomy, psychology, physiology, nutrition, health skills

  • AP 2D art

Awards:

  • National German exam (silver), recognized by county school system

  • AP Scholar with distinction

  • 7th state science olympiad

ECS:

Art director–Student council

Region head (International fair planning)

Science olympiad

HOSA

Doing research (currently) on phage therapy and quorum-sensing

4 Week long physiology course over summer

NAHS

Applying for GHP (Governor’s honor program, communicative arts)

ADDITIONAL CONTEXT:

I got diagnosed with a chronic condition at the beginning of sophomore year that explained extreme brain fog during freshman year. Grades have been on an upward trend every semester since.

SCHOOLS

Would love an area with a big city, especially out-of-state. Currently Emory, UChicago, JHU, NYU are on my list.

Glad you are now healthy.

The great thing about med school is where you go matters little but your GPA, MCAT, shadowing and more will matter.

As an example, here are where the residents went for undergrad for departments at Vandy and Duke hospitals:

So - budget matters because your schools are near $100k but then you have four more years at $100k.

So something to think about.

You have a great profile - strong rigor etc.

Your GPA will change but it’s a bit low - so my guess is you’d go 0-4 but wouldn’t be surprised if one happened. Of course, as a Junior, you have a chance to increase it.

So you have Chicago, Emory, JHU and NYU. So you need ballast schools - meaning schools in the other side of the barbell. Assured admits, etc.

College of Charleston would be a safety for you with Honors. You have an outside shot at the Charleston Fellows which brings big money. It attracts Ivy student. The school is a few blocks from the Medical U of SC so opportunities could be there. It’s very urban.

Pitt would be bigger but it’s well regarded. It would be safe if you applied by Nov 1 - has rolling admissions.

Since you like NYU, why not GW? It’s a target.

U Denver would be a good fit if you’re open to the West. Rochester a nice but realistic reach, with an open curriculum and seriousness of Chicago. Brandeis is another - target. Syracuse another possibility. Down South, U Miami is possible.

Good luck.

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I think the schools on your list are reaches. I would not count on it, but apply and see.

I would consider Pitt and GW (noted above). You could also take a look at SUNY Buffalo, CUNY (Hunter), as well as your state schools.

I think it is important to budget for medical school/graduate school as well, so I would consider that when choosing a school. Medical school can run $100,000 a year.

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I’m glad you are healthy now.

Does your HS have a history of sending students with your GPA and class rank to highly rejective schools? If not, (and I defer to your HS counselor), I don’t see the schools you listed as achievable reaches, assuming these stats will be accurate at the end of 11th grade. Your uwGPA of 3.70 (or is it 3.77?) combined with a class rank of 2nd or 3rd quartile aren’t strong enough to be competitive as an unhooked applicant.

Obviously it’s up to you where to apply and it does make sense to apply to some reaches. But there are different degrees of reaches. It’s important that you have a balanced list of colleges you apply to, including at least one affordable highly likely school. Have you identified that school?

As a potential pre-med, you want to attend a college that is affordable and where you can graduate academically at the top of the class. You say no strict budget, but are you applying for financial aid, or can your parents be full pay at schools that cost close to $100K per year for undergrad?

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With you grade history and trend, I think you will have a better idea of where it makes sense to apply after you get your final grades for this year. For now, I would just be exploring possible colleges.

Some city (or close to it) schools with excellent Biochem not in Georgia include:

University of Washington (Seattle)

University of Minnesota (Twin Cities)

University of Pittsburgh (Pittsburgh)

Ohio State (Columbus)

Case Western (Cleveland)

Trinity University (San Antonio)

Marquette (Milwaukee)

Bryn Mawr (Philadelphia)

I would guess that right now, your unweighted GPA is on the low side for the schools you listed in this post. I agree that your end of junior year grades will matter.

Yes, do explore colleges. But I would suggest looking at some that are not quite as competitive for admissions as well.

Re: costs…you say you have no budget concerns, but if you eventually do get accepted to medical school…who will pay for that. New loan limit for professional school students via the Direct Loan is $200,000 total, and that includes any undergrad Direct Loans you might take.

The most important college you need to find is your sure thing for admission, that you like, that is affordable. I hope you are looking for a college that fits this now also. It’s easy to find reach schools…finding this sure thing is more important and takes time.

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“Premed” immediately brings up four issues:

One is that medical school is expensive. If you are intending to take this route, you need to budget for a full 8 years in university. If you ignore budget and attend private universities, you could easily spend $800,000 over four years, and might even get closer to $900,000. You do not want to take even half of this as debt. One quarter of this as debt would still be a lot of debt (but maybe just manageable for an MD). If your parents are fine spending $900,000 before they call you “doctor” then you can ignore the cost. If not, then it will be easier to save money on the first four years (undergrad) rather than the last four years (medical school).

The second issue is that premed classes are very challenging. I have heard stories of classes full of very strong premed students with exams with a class average in the mid 40’s. You should not want to show up in these tough premed classes with stats that put you in the bottom half of the incoming students. Thus suggests that you might be better off to attend a university where your high school stats put you in the top 1/2, and maybe even top 1/4, of incoming students. With an unweighted high school GPA of 3.7, this does not describe the four reach schools that you mentioned in your original post.

The third issue might be the start of good news. There are a LOT of universities in the US that are very good for premed students, hundreds of them. If you look at the students in highly ranked medical schools, or in other biomedical-related graduate programs, they come from a very wide range of undergraduate schools. One doctor I know said that the other students in his MD program came from “all over the place”. You do not need to attend a school on the U.Chicago / Johns Hopkins level to get into a very good medical school. You do however need to keep a high GPA in very tough premed classes and get very good experience in a medical environment.

The fourth issue is that the vast majority of students who start university thinking “premed” end up doing something else. There are a lot of forms of something else that are possible. Some are biomedical related, some are not. Fortunately of the hundreds of colleges and universities that are very good for premed students, nearly all of them are also very good for a wide range of other options.

Given this fourth issue, it might be worth pointing out that students who are in other forms of very good graduate programs, such as biomedical PhD programs, also come from a very wide range of undergraduate colleges and universities.

If “where you go” means “where you go for your bachelor’s degree” this is exactly right.

And this is very true, today. Five years from now medical school is likely to cost even more than it does now.

These are all reaches with your unweighted GPA, and all would have tough premed classes full of students arriving on campus with significantly higher high school GPAs. If you have a strong junior year of high school then you might have a chance at these schools. However, you need to find schools that are much closer to being a sure thing for admissions.

One more thing that I might add. I have a daughter whose high school stats were very close to yours. She got her DVM this past May. Of course her patients are not human, but she is a medical veterinary doctor now, loves it, and the path to a DVM is not significantly easier compared to the path to an MD or DO. This is not an easy path. This takes a lot of work over an extended period of time. This takes a lot of determination. However, your high school stats will not stop you from becoming a doctor, and having an uptrend in high school is also quite encouraging. With sufficient work and determination I believe that you can do this, but I would be a bit surprised if the best path for you starts with a bachelor’s degree from any of the four reach schools that you mentioned in your original post.

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I think some of this might be tempered by the fact OP attends a STEM magnet/competitive admission school - where a 3.7 is likely interpreted by adcoms as a very strong GPA.

Where have students from your school been admitted to with your GPA?
This would help us interpret it.

As mentioned upthread, the most important colleges you can find are places you like where you’re sure to get into and can afford. These are the hardest to find.