Chance me for these schools! [4.0 UW, 35 ACT, Political Science]

Law school admission does not require any specific major. What subjects are you most interested in?

Some areas of law would benefit from some types of undergraduate majors. For example, patent law would benefit from having a science or engineering undergraduate degree.

You’re going to have both sides since your profile is very similar to other top kids. 4.0 GPA/ 35 ACT are very common stats for T20 applicants.

School awards, NHS, self published books, AP scholar with distinction arent probably going to move the needle since tons of other kids have something similar.

It’s also impossible to know if your essay will resonate with the particular AO reading.

You’ve probably met the academic threshold for the highly selective schools but that’s just a starting point. At this point, it’s difficult to know how an AO will view your extra curriculars, essays, etc.

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Political science is my biggest passion

Aside from needing a budget, your list is too long. The essays and applications are quite time intensive which will make it difficult to do an A+ job on each. And A+ is what you need to do.

It’s not common to see UCLA and Williams on the same list, so I would suggest some critical thinking to narrow down what you really want from a school besides a ‘big name.’ None of these schools will get you internships. You will have to hustle for internships, no matter what school you attend.

So how to cull the list? Start with budget. If your family can’t or won’t pay $80K for UCLA, off the list it goes. Same for the rest of the UCs and any other school that won’t give you sizable need and/or merit based aid like Michigan.

For any of the schools on the list that offer EA you need to get your app in that round. Note if you apply ED anywhere, you can’t apply to schools with restricted early action/single choice early action, like Harvard, Stanford, Georgetown, and Notre Dame, so you will submit a regular decision app for those schools.

Is your state flagship a highly likely/safety for admission and finances for you?

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This isn’t the final list or anything. I’m just exploring colleges and asking for suggestions. It’s not like I’m applying tomorrow

If you want suggestions - and again - you need a budget:

  1. W&L because they have the Johnson Scholarship
  2. College of Charleston - you’d be a great candidate for the Fellows Program - my daughter was one and got into great schools (like W&L) and her bff got into Penn, Vandy, and Rice. She did the U of SC DC semester and interned at a top think tank, plus our state. You get lots of enrichment in programs like this.
  3. Great publics for your interest are Indiana and Pitt

But if I were going to law school and these were my interests, if I wanted a big school, I’d look to my instate - whether an Iowa, Kansas, etc. will all be great. For LACs, I might look at those who will pay you that are great - Trinity in San Antonio, Furman, Macalester.

But without knowing a price point, it’s hard to “suggest” others.

If I liked international politics, in addition to Charleston (you can also be an international scholar), I’d recommend UGA as a large school and U Denver as a mid size school.

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Can you please discuss your foreign language classes - how many years. Unless I missed it, I don’t see you covered it. You’ll want at least 3 but preferably four years for your schools.

It’s hard to make suggestions when the only criterion you’ve provided is “name”. What kind of college (big, small, rural, urban, sports, Greek life, etc) do you think you’d prefer to be at?

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We do understand that. People here have tons of experience building college lists. I suggested you remove some colleges, especially ones that your parents might not want to pay full COA for. Next choose a highly likely school that is affordable.

After that, as others have said, we need more info from you to put more schools on the list.

But right now, you don’t need more schools.

It’s a funny thing, once you start a thread you can’t control what people are going to post. But you can control how you react/reply.

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Your academic/test profile likely makes the cut at every school on your list, assuming you go to a high school that sends top kids to similar schools. While clep can be a good thing, I do not see it often with top students, or even with traditional students. Any insights, as you know it will probably fall on deaf ears throughout your school list.

I know you are asking how you will do at these and it is hard to say. I love the book and would quickly finish, lead with that, and link it to applications wherever you can - assuming it is something you are proud of. The rest of your activities are not knocking my socks off/distinguished compared to top tier applicants (although they are decent) and I am afraid that is what it will take to get into these schools. As @Mwfan1921 said you will have a lot of essays to write. My rule of thumb is one unique per top-tier school.

You should get into the bottom three as someone else implied, but will you get into the top state schools with fierce competition or a “thrown in” liberal arts college without appplying ed - not quite sure, maybe one of them. One good thing is you are applying liberal arts and that is not the most competitive major at most of these. Putting these schools in six categories is the job for your college counselor because so much is dependent on your small high school IMO. Fordham is extremely likely and GW and Villanova are likely. UCSD and NYU might be toss-ups, and the rest are where you think they are IMO.

I second this. Many schools have a minimum foreign language requirement for admission. Did your school not offer a foreign language?

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OP stated they have DE Spanish ‘up to’ Span 202. That is typically a fourth semester college course, so OP should be covered for language unless I am misunderstanding.

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You have great stats and should get in to Fordham and GW. IMO Villanova is a target (not a likely as someone else said) unless you ED. Their acceptance rate for EA/RD is typically 20 percent or less so it’s hard to say that’s likely for anyone. All the rest are reaches because their acceptance rates are in the single digits or teens so even though your stats are on point they are still reaches.

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My daughter with a 3.95 34 act 8th out of 300+ was accepted into Villanova, honors, $0 merit, $0 FA (except for work study and subsidized student loans). I think it was around $80,000 a year then. Chose a less selective public for $35,000 after merit.

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Although they are need blind in admissions, Villanova is not the most generous with financial aid. They currently do not meet full financial need. On a positive note, they are on target with their strategic plan to meet full financial need starting with the class of 2030. It’s still expensive, of course, especially for upper middle class families.

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This is kind of the elephant in the room. You need to put it in another room, lock the door and throw the key away :slight_smile: Even with your excellent stats, ED is a great way to boost your chances. The flip side of the ED advantage is that it forces you to lock into a single school - do you like Penn enough to be able to do that? If yes, then you need to tailor your application accordingly and knock the “Why Us?” essay out of the park. That may mean doing things this summer that are Penn-focused/related, so that you can mention them in your essay. If you are not fully committed to focusing on a single school, you are in a tough, gray area, competing against tens of thousands of your statistical “clones” for an RD spot in a top 20 school. Chances get very slim at that point.

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5. 4+ years painting and drawing with awards and teaching art

8. 4 years violin, guitar, piano, singing for community events,

I see these and want to make sure that you took two semesters of visual and performing arts from the same discipline.

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So quick background. There are three basic “gates” you need to pass through when it comes to highly-selective holistic review colleges where you are “unhooked” (like not a recruited athlete or such): academic, activities, and personal attributes.

Based on what you told us, I doubt you will have much problem getting through the academic gates anywhere. Which means you can probably apply anywhere you think is a good fit for you.

Activities is much harder to assess. Part of the problem is this is contextual–what activities do they think they need their enrolled class to be doing, what activities do they see you doing at their college, who else is applying who might do the same things? We don’t really know. So while I wouldn’t suggest this should keep you from applying anywhere, it is a source of fundamental uncertainty.

And then personal attributes–really, it is impossible for us, or you, to really know how you will come across to them once they have read your recommendations, your essays, possibly interviewed you, and so on. I note the vast majority of otherwise qualified applicants will at least score as what Harvard once called “generally positive”. But to get admitted as an unhooked application, you likely need to instead score as what Harvard once called “very strong” (we know all this about Harvard due to a lawsuit). What exactly makes the difference between otherwise qualified applicants they see as “very strong” on personal attributes versus merely “generally positive”? How can we know in advance who will be seen which way?

We can’t, you can’t, that’s just the nature of the process. Really all you can do is see what they say about what they are looking for (usually they have information like this on their websites, possibly have discussed it in recorded information sessions, podcasts, interviews, or so on), and then focus on the schools which most seem to be talking about you.

OK, so you pick a list of these highly selective colleges where you think you are really what they are looking for, and then write your best possible applications.

And you also pick some colleges where your academic qualifications are not just good enough, but are actually more like top 25th-percentile-ish for them. For some of those, you may still need to be careful you are picking good fits. For others, realistically, your numbers and not being a notorious axe-murderer might be enough. Either way, if your numbers are outstanding enough by their normal standards, and they have a robust merit program, they may in fact offer you merit, and/or honors programs, and so on. And because for one reason or another you might well end up taking one of these offers, you make sure they are all really good fits for you in the important ways.

And then you apply and see what happens. If you follow the above advice, you will have done what you can to get into one or more of the most selective schools on your list. And if that doesn’t work out, you should still have multiple great offers to consider. Indeed, sometimes people actually surprise themselves and take a great offer from a less selective college even though they got an offer from a more selective college. It happens more than some kids expect, when the applicant did a good job choosing colleges for their list.

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This is telling and is confirmed by your bullet point list of activities; I have no idea who you are and what is/are your passion(s). (Important in the context of a chance me thread for elite colleges & universities.)

Academically, you appear to be well qualified.

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Oh come on @Publisher - it isn’t “telling” that OP doesn’t know what they want to write about yet. Not at all. I just went through this with two kids and it’s tough to come up with a personal statement you feel good about. I think they both did a great job in the end but it wasn’t obvious what they were going to write about. They both have very deep multi year, multi faceted involvement in their ECs, clear passions. But one didn’t touch on that at all in her personal statement, and the other did but it wasn’t the main focus.

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