CHANCE ME: T20's: VA resident, 3.85 UW GPA, 35 ACT, Computer Science & Business

You may want to explore MIT as a potential “reach” alternative to Stanford if this is a type of school that appeals to you. MIT offers the S.B. program in economics & also management. You wouldn’t be applying directly to a major since no applicant is admitted directly to any school or department for the first-year. They are not looking to solely admit engineering and science majors though they do dominate. You can pursue all three of your passions: computer science, economics, and management in various combinations of concentrations, minors, & majors. Although you’ve received five “B+” grades, you’ve also received AP scores of “5” in AP Calculus BC, Computer Science A, Physics 1, & Microeconomics to compensate. You already qualify for credit or higher placement for certain subjects. Focusing on earning straight "A"s and "A-"s senior year. AP “5” scores in Physics - Mechanics and E&M would be an advantageous nice-to-have.

If you are EDing you should definitely pick one you will have zero regrets on.

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Kate is 100% correct.

During my son’s application process in 2020, I was regularly on the Va Tech forums. My son was very interested in attending Va Tech, so I paid attention to all the parents’/applicants’ messages.

A lot of families complained vociferously about their excellent stats+scores student not getting accepted, and complaining even more about kids with 3.4 GPAs were getting into the university.

The problem is, the tech majors are very popular among applicants but the school’s tech majors have only so much room for freshmen. So, VA Tech has to limit the number of tech acceptances. Meanwhile, not as many perfect GPA perfect scores applicants apply to many of the other majors, and lower-stats applicants are accepted in those other majors.

My son was admitted to Va Tech with average good stats. Much lower than the OP’s stats. And during that application cycle, the VA Tech forum was full of high-stats applicants to Engineering and CS who did not get accepted.

VA Tech is not a safety for in-state students who want to apply to Engineering or CS

EDIT: This is not meant to endorse the idea of applying to a university under a false major, then hoping to transfer into your desired major after being admitted. At many low-acceptance rate schools, it is almost impossible to transfer into high-demand tech majors.

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I’m saying that if the person can do well their freshman year, ED to Penn Arts and Sciences is a better chance than ED to Wharton, but they can still transfer to Wharton after their first year.

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Brown? What does this mean?

The Brown Open Source rankings which ranked schools in various areas and overall.

The link is dead.

It was, in my opinion, a helpful ranking of CS programs in areas of importance.

For me the link is dead.

https://drafty.cs.brown.edu/csopenrankings/

Thank you for the clarification. And yes, that link is dead.

Try and make sure one of your recommendations is from non-STEM class, I’d keep Physics and figure out the other one from History, English, or Latin.

“UC Berkeley and UCLA are excellent schools. However, so is UVA”

Well for CS, Berkeley is a powerhouse (to borrow a term from another poster). The other powerhouse colleges on the OP’s list imo, are UIUC, UM, CMU, GTech, Cornell and Stanford. You could debate Penn and Purdue of course, but not Berkeley, at least in high tech in the bay area.

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I agree with those that see changing major, depending on school, to be a challenging strategy; it needs real thought. In some instances, you will need to reinvent yourself on your applications. Not my suggestion.

From the schools you care about a lot, I believe you will be admitted to UVA and UIUC. I do not believe you will be admitted to Wharton ED or Ross EA. UTA, CMU, GTech, and UCB is a tough group to call. I am leaning 0/4 mainly because of the way they evaluate transcripts and oos admissions, with the closest admit being GTech.

I think the best way to add another admit from this group is to move the ED to CMU.

So I understand the desire to want to go to a college that will do a good job supporting your career ambitions, but then I think people sometimes make assumptions about which colleges best do that without using good information.

Just by way of example, LinkedIn has started doing relevant studies, and some of the colleges scoring best using their methodology are not large, famous publics:

Just by way of example, they have Lehigh at #23, which is not really that surprising if you know much about Lehigh and how it is plugged into NYC and Philly elite circles.

And I am mentioning Lehigh because it has a type of honors program that combines tech and business, their Integrated Business and Engineering program, IBE. Note CS is one of the majors you can do for the E part:

And in fact, I am pretty sure graduates of that program would do even better in LinkedIn’s methodology if they were isolated.

OK, so, personally, I can understand why someone with your interests and a generous budget would consider something like Lehigh’s IBE program over any public university, including your excellent state options.

Although to be fair, UVA is #15 on LinkedIn’s list, also not a surprise for people who know UVA and its connections to Eastern elites.

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With regard to changing majors, this is much easier to do within the same school of a college or the same college within a university. Same thing for double majors, much easier to do within the same school or college.

This is important for your interests because at some universities they are in the same school and at others they are in different schools. This is an important detail to check and to make part of your decision making.

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agreed and sometimes SUPER easy across schools at some universities ad sometimes impossible (or close to it). HUGE variation!

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I don’t think Lehigh is on the OP’s list, and it would be better to take colleges off the list, maybe you add Lehigh and drop off 1 or 2 others. As for LinkedIn’s ranking, the OP already has a few from the list. There is no way to tell though if the colleges on the list are due to their students going to a different grad school. If someone goes to a college not on the list for undergrad and then Yale Law for grad, it’s the graduate school that is more responsible for the career.

On majors, the colleges should tell you the easier path for a double major. Typically it will be to get in to the school with less students, say Music or Journalism, and then get a second major from a larger school like the Arts and Sciences college.

You are putting way too much into linkedin ranking in your recommendation. It is flawed. But, if you are going to trust linkedin profile data, then you can look at outcomes when the profiles are more tech and engineering focused college graduates and looking at top employers.

College transitions has done this using such linkedin data:

Top Feeders to Engineering

I think we go to the same school… admissions will be a bloodbath here :sweat_smile:

I’m not sure pointing to the LinkedIn list is very helpful when their Top 10 are the super famous private schools that every strong high school student is already desperate to get into. Particularly when such a tiny population of college graduates from these schools disproportionately dominate the LinkedIn Top 10.

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Given OP gave a list and asked if there are others they should look at, i’m not sure at this point why Linkedin’s ranking, while interesting, matters.

There’s other schools mentioned, not to mention chance mes done on those mentioned.

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LinkedIn is basically doing a specialty business placement ranking, which I wouldn’t take too strictly for a long list of reasons, but it did seem to me to be of particular relevance to the OP. I think such specialty lists can be fruitfully used to generate leads worth exploring further, by kids with relevant interests.

And then I happened to know about Lehigh’s IBE program.

That said, some people seem to be assuming the OP wants to prioritize CS rankings, and deprioritize such business considerations. Perhaps the OP can clarify if these sorts of special integrated tech and business programs are actually of interest.

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