Chance me University of Michigan or Williams Early Decision

Fair enough! Good to know these things about yourself :grin:

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Makes zero sense - a large public is a large public. And the top 30 as you see are not the top 30 b schools.

Bentley has merit aid. Babson is the #1 school for entrepreneurship in the country - very prestigious. Both are on the IB target school lists.

Transferring to a ‘better’ school. Schools aren’t ‘better’ because a magazine says they are.

A ranking is to sell magazines. And for marketing. Example - my kid turned down Purdue engineering for a no name and yet works with and earns the same as Purdue and Michigan grads but also W Michigan, Akron and more. The real world isn’t quite as black and white as you make it. Btw I was like you - he told me otherwise I’m convinced he’s not wrong I see at work where a Vandy works for W Georgia I have an MBA I had a boss with no degree. It’s like this in life. We had a Harvard Law working for Fairleigh Dickinson til the FDU person retired.

Nonetheless if you don’t get into a ‘better school,”, add Indiana, Texas and SMU plus Arizona State and IBIS. Fordham too. Google any flagship and Investment banking + LinkedIn - whether Penn State, Ohio State, Florida, Colorado, Va Tech, UGA, Wisconsin, UMN,W&M and you’ll find kids in IB. And you’ll find most at UM or UVA or any school don’t get close to it. And you don’t look to transfer - that’s the best way to do poorly your first year go, get involved, and pursue your goal with the same fortitude you’ll need to do it from UM.

Have a budget - that your family can afford if they can afford $90k with no issue, great but if it’s a strain you are then taking on a boatload of risk for an unlikely outcome.

Schools aren’t ‘better’ - sorry there are Michigan and UVA types at every flagship with your biggest National Merit schools down south - Bama, Florida and by percentage - Tulsa. Will UM and UVA place better in IB - yes, most likely. But that doesn’t mean good. And outside of that since you don’t know what you want five years from now (a 24 hr review hasn’t given you the answer), students from all schools will be working side by side with one another.

Open your eyes a bit more. Reading a rank isn’t the way to pick a school. But here are your target schools in pic and another with a link. Go to the per capita on the bottom you’ll see both Babson and Bentley (who has merit). When you look at rank, they are looking at certain banks - the major ones. There are many others and some hire regionally - example a Rice, SMU, UT might pull Texas firms, etc. Good luck

I removed the link. It’s not work but google college transitions + IB feeders.

Here are some images.

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Here is another list of top schools for investment banking:

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I’d say UMich and Williams are drastically different. Have you visited Williams? It’s not anything like UMich.

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Did not intend to come off as complacent by saying “better school.” Idk if you know this but I’m asian so where I go to college ultimately depends on how my parents view the school. Even if I explain to them Babson is #1 in entrepreneurship, they will not care and will still make me do state school → transfer to more prestigious t30. It really is unfortunate and I do miss out on a lot of schools, but thats just the way its gonna have to be—unless I want to take out a bunch of student loan debt which is not something I want to do.

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Sounds less like Top 30 than “Schools my parents have heard of.” The Top 30 differs based on what ranking you’re looking at and what they’re trying to sell. Others have pointed out that there are schools that are better at what you say you want to study than the ones your parents may have heard of, so I would recommend cross-tabbing those they find acceptable with ones who need a clarinetist, which is the strongest part of your profile.

You’ve got an objectively great record on paper, but the schools I suspect you’re thinking about have an abundance of kids with your profile or better. Outside of the clarinet, I’m not sure how you stand out at Williams which is small and UMich who get a ton of great applicants. Why do they have to have you? That’s the question you have to answer, and respectfully, I don’t see how state schools that have small slots for out of staters and small schools and Ivies (little or big) answer this positively for you.

Eventually you’re going to have to face the fact that you need to expand your list beyond the schools that every kid with a great application applies to. Which to me means you need to start educating your parents on some of these other schools. And yourself, maybe.

Good luck.

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By the way, I’m not saying don’t take a shot, just saying you have to manage your expectations. I also wouldn’t get too locked in on the finance business as a screening mechanism. Don’t think any of the NESCACs or many other LACs who show prominently in finance have them for majors.

I don’t see Bentley on that list. And if those numbers are to be believed, not all state schools are the same.

They don’t really need to have a finance major - Williams econ grads do fine in finance.

This was my point.

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Initially OP did not have a desired outcome. So the comment was made outside of IB. That came after OP researched careers yesterday, which as you know in 24 hrs does not make it a reality of what they’ll want in 5 years.

Babson and Bentley are on the linked - you have to scroll down to the last table per capita.

I put the image here for you. When only looking at the first chart, you are looking at raw #s. This chart equalizes for program size.

OP’s true answer to Michigan is Indiana. It’s highly ranked, places into IB, and is basically every large top school’s candidate safety for business - prestigious but not an overly difficult admit.

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I don’t think it’s a problem to have a list comprised of LAC and big Flagship schools. It’s fine to apply to both types and decide when the time comes which better fits the person who you will be in the spring of your senior year balanced with what your parents will support.

FYI your math coursework might cause some problems. UMich Ross explicitly states 4 years of math are expected for all applicants. Wisconsin lists 3 years as a minumum for math excluding statistics, business math and computer science courses. At UW, your transcript would be evaluated as having 2 years of math. I’m not saying that to scare you, but it’s important to be aware of how your academic record fits with each University’s expectations.

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I agree. The issue is when you want to ED one and the next day say - how about this one and it’s polar opposite. Binding oneself when they don’t have any idea what they want beyond prestige is my concern.

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